Friedhart Thone

1+ Makes sense, kommodores have always worn the Admirals uniform, not sure why now all of a sudden its changed.

So im going to put all the information in here as he very clearly hasnt got what Doofles meant. There are a number of uniforms within the Military right now that still have broken paychecks, IE affecting RP for the military as we struggle to pay for basic stuff. Heer Uniforms are all affected Marine CO Uniforms are affected and the Admirals Uniform Suggestion is to please address these issues and fix the paychecks.

I'm just going to ignore the first point as its pointless. Because you took something I said out of context to your own benefit, you know exactly what I'm referencing, lets post the rest of that text shall we. https://imgur.com/X8ySeI3 Maybe don't take stuff out of context then, that doesn't make you look good does it? When it very clearly has deeper meaning and reasoning to it. "well unironically I was probably going to be forced to resign anyways" doesn't matter, the fact of the matter is the reason is health issues not because I was bored or leaving for the sake of it unlike others in the past, that's not an instant pass for the pk to be allowed to continue or to validate it when it very clearly violates half of the guidelines and some rules. "You didn't read my reply so I am going to ignore the majority of it" no I did, its just that there is no standing precedence of a coup is this caliber are we really going to set the precedence for "One Man Coups?" because that's what this was, which is insane. Does that mean a Kommodore can one man coup a Kontoradmiral by himself and murder him to get the position because he doesn't like them? No because it very clearly violates the guidelines, so why then does this make sense. Generaloberst one man couping and murdering the Grobadmiral because he doesn't like him for some reason and not voicing his concern or opinions. Setting that precedence is insane as that can apply to just about anyone now and I personally feel that we the community should not set a precedence like that as it will lead to more problems then its worth. What's that supposed to mean? "unlike in your track record which UA know about..." Last time I checked I have a handful of notes 2-3, No bans on record. If your referring to skips I apologized on the matter and it was settled that is that. Since we're going to talk about track record let's talk about the time you tried to use OOC information to kill Jurgen Schmidt when he was Gauleiter because you wanted his job and got promptly told off for it and the pk got thrown out, because as of this moment it seems that OOC information had a part to play in this and hence why I believe this was done as an attempt to grab power, jobs and titles. There is precedent for you doing this and as such everyone including staff should seriously heavily scrutinize the PK's intent. Furthermore I'm not pissed off or mad, I'm disappointed that this pk was allowed to happen in the first place when it very clearly violates the PK guidelines and several rules. As if people forget that the guidelines and rules exist for a reason. That is still not enough reasoning for my character to have been killed, furthermore completely irrelevant... And if we're talking about a good light, how will the community feel about it hm? Because despite the fact that the appeal was cleared it was very obvious that many people have agreed that the PK was bogus. This is not just about my character now, its about setting precedence and halting this kind of ridiculous pk and one man coups from continuing. Furthermore I am going to keep reiterating my points not "Regurgitating" as you have so happily described them as because it is fact, the PK guidelines were broken and so were several rules. Let me get the full list of the guidelines that were broken during this pk and the General Rules that have been broken that you have admitted to on this pk. PK GUIDELINES 2. Purposefully subjecting someone into a situation which puts them under valid PK guidelines. (The Civil War, I know you said that you didnt and that I wasnt killed because of it however regardless of the fact you used the civil war as a cover to kill me.) 3. Not using PKs as a LAST resort. (Wasn't Last resort) 4. Attempt to resolve the matter using other means which don't involve PKing first, unless it is deemed impossible, and agreed upon by the approving staff member. (There was no attempt at resolution so therefore was completely skipped.) 5. PKing someone for the sole purpose of taking their job/title. (You killed me to attempt to grab power for yourself or for someone else.) 6. PKing for solely doing work legally within one's job. (I was doing my job, however you fail to realize that some parts of the job are slow, yeah I delegated for you to do things, but you were the Generaloberst and OKH chief you don't need me for everything.) GENERAL RULES 7. You must always value your own life through FearRP. Failure to abide by FearRP can result in your character being permanently killed. (You joined in the civil war long before I joined the server, shocking that you weren't killed, not to mention you killed 4 people in that pk Reagen PK's whilst yes allow you to run up and shoot the person you wish to kill doesn't allow to disregard FearRP. Not to mention the chance that guards outside rush in to kill you/) 25. You may not plan the assassination of your commanding officer for the sole purpose of gaining power. You must have a detailed reason for wanting them dead that is in accordance with PK guidelines. (You wanted me removed so you or someone you wanted to gain power simple.) 26. Making use of Out of Character communication to gain an In-Character advantage is considered Metagame. (You very clearly stated that you let discord DM's sway you IC actions.) METAGAMING RULES 5. You cannot use an OOC reason to PK someone. (Again you very clearly stated that you let discord dm's be apart of the reasoning of my characters supposed PK.) POWERGAMING RULES 4. You cannot take OOC matters into IC roleplay. (You took OOC discord DMs into IC roleplay, you've admitted that in your response.) Once again. I ask that this PK be thrown out and my character unpk'd as it very CLEARLY violates the PK guidelines and General Rules, not to mention it sets a bad precedence for the community!

Then how in gods name am I supposed to refute the pk if I'm not even given the evidence to refute it. The fact of the matter is the pk is done, why be so secretive about the evidence at this point, your beating around the bush to prevent me from properly defending myself and my character. Because being given the answer "You were couped by your command staff" is arguably one of the most stupidest reasons to be killed especially when yesterday we were talking together with no issues. Again you didn't go through other avenues first you went straight to kill me. Still was not a PK of last resort, you basically just admitted to the fact that you didn't even bother to speak with me or pursue other avenues. Furthermore "Well, unironically, I was probably going to be forced to resign anyways" because I have a personal health issue that's popped up not because of IC reasons you fuck. Doesn't mean I wished for a character I spent 5 months on to be killed in some garbage and bullshit PK. Keep my personal life out of this appeal you bastard, otherwise I'll start slagging yours around. So what your saying is, you've deliberately put myself and yourself into a position to be pk'd during a civil war? Because you were involved with the fighting for a good solid hour and a half, how did your character not die? Cause that's also against the PK guidelines. The civil war had ended, it was done, and again how am I supposed to refute and defend my character if I don't see the evidence, cause I'm going to say it, its bullshit if I don't get the details on why my character was killed when arguably it didn't deserve it 2. Purposefully subjecting someone into a situation which puts them under valid PK guidelines. So you admitted to taking OOC stuff said Iccly? Cause that's what that sentence says to me, furthermore I have been unwell these past few days of which I said to just about everyone, you let OOC comments sway your decision which is insane, your a senior administrator and you let small comments like that sway your decision to kill me because I had food poisoning and was concerned about people trying to kill me in a discord chat? Also against the PK guidelines and is considered metagaming tbh. Furthermore you basically just admitted to "get rid of your boss." that's so you intent was to remove me for my position. There are plenty of alternative routes, you just decided to be lazy and go straight for the gun without actually doing any of the alternatives. 7. PKing for an OOC dispute. For shame. OOC should not affect RP. You know better. On that basis alone I ask for the PK to be thrown out and my character restored. Also no last resort was reached because YOU NEVER TALKED TO ME, MET WITH ME, REACHED OUT TO ME. NOTHING! There was no last resort if your a lazy shit, you went straight to killing my character in a half cocked one man coup. Furthermore if I remember correctly this isn't the first time you've done this, taking OOC information to attack others, you did it to Jurgen Schmidt when he was Gauleiter and got told off for it. Meaning you know you shouldn't be doing it and yet have proceeded to do so. But its not, you broke just about half of the PK guidelines a general rule and you've ruined your reputation in the community by doing so. Doesn't matter if it was "The right Staff" clearly that staff member wasn't paying attention when you requested that pk or forgot to ask if you'd done anything else besides go straight for the kill, because you hadn't. Furthermore if the roots are rotten then it bears rotten fruit, my pk was rotten therefor all rp afterwards will also be rotten until the roots are clean and stripped away. Does it matter if I was to come back? There are other ways of bringing this character back, a name change etc. Its been done before so don't say its impossible. End of the day my character DID NOT deserve to be killed in this situation, did nothing to deserve to be killed in a "reagen pk" Icly from your character further you didn't try any other avenue you went straight to kill me. Also One man coups are boring as fuck. You admitted to allow OOC said stuff influence your IC actions which is against the PK guidelines, you admitted that you put yourself in position and myself into a position which puts them valid under the PK guidelines which is not allowed, you didn't go through last resort, you didn't even attempt any form of communication or deliberation and the refusal of showing the so called evidence makes me believe you either don't have it or its fake. Given the admissions within your reply I ask this pk be overturned in its entirety.

I should also mention as I know it will come up, I did ask if I could make an appeal beforehand, furthermore as an additional since I know a lot has taken place after my characters death I am also open to a name PK if the need arises to avoid issues.

Character's name & rank: Friedhart Thone, GroBadmiral, Minister of War SteamID32: 76561198123978789 Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Virus Explain why you were PK'd: From the information I have been told by Virus I was "Couped" no other information regarding the pk was given nor has it been given despite requests, and what I can decern from Saito (Who conducted the PK) is that I was pkd because I was and I quote "not good enough for the position of Minister of War" and was hiding away during a civil war (Which makes sense I'm NHC why would I go out and get myself killed). Why should you be un-PK'd?: First of all, let's start off with this "coup" there were a multitude of other ways that could have been played out, my character did nothing to deserve to be killed by Saito or for a manor of fact really anyone within the PK guidelines, there are really only a handful of people who I know who may have had potential pks on me, but none of them would apply in this situation as it would be under grief (Which requires the people in question to perform the PK themselves), a coup doesn't mean to kill everyone apposed to you, I could have simply been allowed to leave or better yet, negotiate for someone else to take my place, but no instead you went straight for the gun, bloodless coups exist and have happened, you just used the "Oh we're couping him" excuse to kill my character needlessly. There was absolutely no reason why my character should have been killed in this situation. Furthermore this coup was one person shooting me and two of my guards further that's not a coup not on the slightest, I call this "Coup" a blatant cover for what it is, a blatant violation of the PK guidelines by members of the community who think they can twist the PK guidelines to their advantage, playing the rules as it were, murdering someone for their position and job because their "slow" or because they don't "fit the role" they are in is not within the PK guidelines and is outright ridiculous. Furthermore the civil war (Which Saito on his Kai Kaiser character started BTW) had ended and a ceasefire was called, therefore that cannot be the reason for me being pked either, we had finished fighting with the MOI 10 minutes prior and where about to meet a peace summit at the Reichstag. We had effectively won the civil war and then he decides to shoot me down? Where's the logic in that? Furthermore under Generalrule 26. It also clearly states that you cannot kill your commanding officer for the sole purpose of gaining power. PK GUIDELINES 3. Not using PKs as a LAST resort. 5. PKing someone for the sole purpose of taking their job/title. 6. PKing for solely doing work legally within one's job. GENERAL RULES 25. You may not plan the assassination of your commanding officer for the sole purpose of gaining power. You must have a detailed reason for wanting them dead that is in accordance with PK guidelines. This was not a PK of last resort, as you made no attempt to come talk to me about the issue of which you know very well I would have talked about, so does just about everyone else in the server. Hell we didn't even have any bad previous talks with each other, you just decided out of nowhere to shoot me, after complaining about how you lost around 2 million in a civil war of your own making, of which I offered to pay back. This was no unreasonable, you made no attempt to resolve it and went straight to killing me. 4. Attempt to resolve the matter using other means which don't involve PKing first, unless it is deemed impossible, and agreed upon by the approving staff member. Fact of the matter is, this pk, shouldn't have happened in the first place based on the information I have been given and is in clear violation of the PK guidelines and General Rules of the community. If the issue arises regarding the fact that to much time has passed I will happily cede Minister of War and command of the Armed Forces, I just want my character that I have spent 3-5 months on back and to be given a fair shake when it comes to this dodgy PK. Additional Information:

1+ The idea is interesting, the current prop limitations can sometimes be frustrating especially if your trying to build something for events. The idea of having that extra amount of props would greatly help and potentially encourage individuals with trusted perms to make cooler looking dupes for ceremonies etc.

I was involved in this matter on the Marine/Military side. Although I do recognize that I am not the one who requested the PK. There is a clear timeframe of which he had the ability to radio before he and his comrade were truly outnumbered, not to mention the sub-section regarding use of radio whilst under gunpoint, its not really mentioned, hell I'll admit many members of the MGD and NSB don't know or have forgotten that this stringent little sub-section exists. Even I forgot about this subsection and I've been here for quite some time! I would push for Adalbert Herzfeld to be unpked! Thank you!

Hi Skips, A lot of context has been left out of this appeal so I'm going to do my best to explain why you were pk'd whilst answering your questions. Earlier today at around 5:30pm EST there was a firefight involving members of the luftwaffe, marines, heer and OKW against the "Frontline Commanders and War Heros" who were posing as Feldjaegers, who decided to start a gunfight after they were being arrested for impersonation, sedition, robbery etc, you were identified three times as one of them. Directly after the confrontation when the Feldmarschall entered the city to stop the confrontation from continuing, when you were found by members of the feld, mgd and marines who identified you as one of the individuals as you have so happily confirmed in your own appeal, and when you were brought to my office where I recognized your character from that confrontation. When you were arrested you were taking the piss, you made no attempt to save your character and pretty much stonewalled for most of the interaction, further when you were vdm'd on an accident you immediately ran off to the MOI and KG base showing that you weren't just afk, but feigning it to avoid speaking, but happily you were stopped from reaching them and brought back to base, where once again you refused to speak. You were then executed under orders from NHC for your part in the earlier shootout as a warning to the others of the group. Now that context has been given as to the why, who, how and what, let me just get down to answering the questions you've given. "I first got on my character when I heard there was a wargame going on with the MOI and I got in to participate in that wargame." So your telling me, that you, were not on that character at 5:30pm EST today. Holding me at gunpoint in the BB cells, killing members of the Feld, Marines, Luftwaffe who were attempting to have me released, fighting alongside the quote on quote "frontline commanders and war heros" who were fucking about earlier today? Because that's why your character was pked for, on top of the attempt to run away when you tried to run to the MOI and KG base after you were vdmd. "then all the marines and him surround me and tie me up and say this guy threatened my life to the feldmarschall." You were identified and tied up before you even got to me, I will admit I wasn't even looking for you at that point which just about everyone can confirm, as I was indeed more worried about Prime and Grg actively doing stupid shit in advertisements as you've said, "other people actively threatening my life", therefore how does the accusation "all the Admiral had to do was point a finger and all of his yes men agreed to it" work exactly? Cause again, You were identified by feld, mgd and several other people long before I saw you. Not to mention I recall you were detained earlier in the day and brought into the Feldmarshalls office as a suspect and released due to the NSB and KG showing up at the front gates. As a further not you use the same skins for a good majority of your characters, which I believe was also taken into account upon your arrest. FINALLY, when you were VDMd and we had to re-arrest you, you ran straight to the MOI and KG base which is really what sealed your fate. You had the opportunity to talk, you chose not to and from what I was told you were taking the piss when you were re-arrested, you definitely were taking the piss when you were arrested the first time. You refused to talk and went completely silent after you were brought back which in itself is "stonewalling" which is also a pkable offence. You didn't take the prospect of being pk'd seriously, nor the matter that you could have saved your character had you just talked. "all the Admiral had to do was point a finger and all of his yes men agreed to it." That contradicts what you've said, furthermore you were picked up Feld, MGD and Marines who I wasn't in contact with, so that is a straight up lie or misconception of what happened. I don't think I even asked my guys once if you were the individual, they said that you were one of the "War Heros" before I even turned to acknowledge you being brought into the room. "they simply said it was me because they know who I am out of character and they thought it was good enough and just went on with it. " So you saying it was a different character? Cause that's what I'm getting from this. Now let me be clear, if this was on a different character, then fair enough, shit happens I will happily apologize if that is the case, I have nothing against you out of character, period, not to mention some of those guys probably don't even know you OOCly, but there are a lot of questions raised that really do need answered, the simplest one is why not say anything in LOOC, why not contact staff about it!? Why not try and defend your character from the incoming PK by explaining that it wasn't you/that character involved, you just sat there and accepted death!? You had plenty of opportunity to stand up for yourself, to divert the course that was coming, you chose not to, you sat there and accepted your fate. I HATE PKING PEOPLE! I only do it as a last resort! Had you spoke up and said something then fair chance your character would be alive. You know very well I'm a reasonable individual who would happily talk about something like that, I'm not an egotistical bastard who ignores everything people say, everyone is prone to mistakes, were human had you said something or even attempted to communicate about it being a different character then things of course would be different! The only reasons I can think of at this point as to why you wouldn't mention it being a different character or even give a damn to protect the character, is because it was that character or you just didn't give two shits about the character to begin with (Which is pretty poor form tbh and I hope wasnt the case), again you were taking the absolute piss when you were arrested therefore not helping the issue. Now bear in mind that is speculation, but the lack of trying to defend your character at that critical moment still doesn't make sense to me if you truly cared about it. Regardless. Evidence regarding this individual can be handed to staff when asked for.