ThirdEye

Thank you for your clarification. I'd like to address the points you brought up here as I believe there is a discrepancy between the inerpretation used here and the written PK Guidelines. The PK Guidelines define grief PKs in the context of severe harm or grief to a character. The guidelines do not list threats to a player's position, reputation, or legal disciplinary actions as grief, nor do they determine pk eligibity based solely on a player feeling upset or inconvenienced by a statement alone. My statement did not include a threat of violence or death. It was a conditional statement about persuing charges. Mentioning courts, charges, or court martials even if done incorrectly or without enough justification is not inherently grief. I'd like to further explain why my original statement was conditional and not a direct threat. At the beginning of the clip that was provided, my exact wording was "If you are going to do this, I am going to charge you for this. I am going to court martial you for this." This statement was explicitly conditionally structured and intended. It was depending on Hauptmann Michael Braun continuing an action (dragging me despite being informed that I was cleared for release). I presented him with an immediate option to stop his action, at which point the condition would no longer apply. Furthermore saying that a possible charge or court ruling implies a threat to his life is just speculating. If that were the standard and applied broadly, then any mention of charges or judicial action could be treated as a death threat, which would completely undermine any legal RP and roleplay escalation. I understand your distinction here, however, my statement was neither blackmail nor an active threat that put his life at risk. It was also never acted upon. It does not meet the criteria for dirt, nor does it meet any pk criteria, including grief as no harm, grief, leverage, or follow-through occured. Furthermore, the PK Guidelines state that PKs should be used as last resort and that attempts should be made to resolve the situation through roleplay unless impossible. In this case, no warning, charge, mediation request, or command-level resolution was attempted before requesting the PK, despite multiple opportunities to do so.

Character's name & rank: Max Richterß, Oberstleutnant SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX): STEAM_0:0:536630841 Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Nooby Explain why you were PK'd: Grief PK Why should you be un-PK'd?: I am appealing this because this PK does not meet the PK Guidelines or the criteria for a Grief PK. I was detained by a Mountaineer NCO. Then the individuals who detained me explicitly stated that I could be released and removed me from an office, however never untied me. While I was tied up, I walked to the BB Lobby, where I encountered Hauptmann Michael Braun. I informed him that I had already been cleared for release. Instead of listening to me or addressing the situation, he ignored what I said and immediately began dragging me. At that point, I stated that if he was going to do this (continuing to drag me) despite being informed that I was cleared for release, I would pursue charges and court martial him for refusing to release me. Under the PK Guidelines, a Grief PK requires severe harm to a Character, no harm was caused to Hauptmann Michael Braun’s character. A verbal statement about potential legal or punitive action does not constitute grief. At most, this situation could be interpreted as dirt, not grief and even then, it was never acted upon. The PK Guidelines explicitly state that PKs should be used as a last Resort and that attempts must be made to resolve the situation through roleplay first, unless impossible. After I was released, Michael Braun alleged that I had "threatened" his "life" and re-detained me on his own initiative. He then dragged me away from the surrounding People, into a empty BB cell. Inside the cell while I was alone wtih him, he did not issue any warning to me and did not persue any other roleplay escalation with me (charges, interrogation, report etc). He simply left me tied in a cell for about 15 minutes and took absolutely no action or attempt to resolve the situation. I was left in the cell until some judges who later walked in released me. Following this incident, Michael Braun made a complaint to the Field Marshal inside of his office, claiming that I had threatened his life. During the Meeting the Field Marshal explicitly warned me that I was not allowed to make such threats to another officer and clarified that if I really wanted to charge him, I would require a really good justification. He also reminded Michael Braun to acknowldge my gorget and told him that if he wanted to detain me, he would also require a really good justifiaction and proper cause. During the meeting, Michael made a complaint about me, but did not propose or request any form of resolution or disciplinary action despite having the opportunity to do so in the presence of the Field Marshal. Instead, he framed me in the complaint as having "threatened to kill" him. This does not reflect what I said to him at all in the original interaction. The Field Marshal provided guidance to both of us rather than issuing a punishment for either of us. This shows that the situation could've been resolved through roleplay means and did not warrant the immediate escalation to a PK. Michael Braun had multiple opportunities to resolve this situation through RP and chose not to engage at all before requesting a PK. This PK does not meet the pk criterea for Grief, was not used as Last Resort, and was not properly escalated in roleplay. No severe harm occurred, no RP resolution was attempted, and a conditional statement regarding me charging him if he was going to continue dragging me, which was never acted upon, does not justify a immediate PK. Due to these reasons I believe this PK should be overturned. Additional Information:

To clarify this, I didn’t give you a “verbal suggestion” in the sense of influencing your statement. After you finished writing your main statement, you asked me what a good way to end it would be, and I offered an idea only after your request. I didn’t write any part of the document for you or try to shape your account.

Hello, I was the Gericht member who collected your witness statement. In regard to this, you solely wrote 100% of your statement. If verification on this is required, the Google Docs version history can be provided. Nothing was written for you or edited from your text. On top of this, you even submitted your own pictures that you took as evidence into your statement. Before you even drafted the statement, you told the Gendarmerie Chief, while I was standing next to you, that you intended to take the Polizeikommandeur to court. This alone already indicated that you wanted to use dirt against the Polizeikommandeur. You then proceeded to write a witness statement on this in advance of a court trial you intended to hold against the Polizeikommandeur.

Hello, I am the Staff Member who issued your ban. You were banned for using a racial slur, which is a violation of Global Rule1, and for then immediately disconnecting from the server while you were still in custody. Here is the message you sent, along with the log showing your disconnect from the server: https://imgur.com/a/5hHiDTX The length of your ban is due to your extensive history of previous offenses. You have already been banned multiple times in the past for LTAP, so you should be well aware of the consequences of repeated rule violations by now.

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Hi, I am the staff member that issued your PK You were PK'd under the guideline of FearRP. Here is the clip: https://medal.tv/de?contentId=iLaIDFaBPi7HBqjut&invite=cr-MSx1aGIsMjMwNTAwNzIxLA&spok=d1337KQO3oxl You were surrounded by a group of at least 4 armed individuals who held you at gun point and ordered you to stop moving. You continued to move showing a disregard for your own life and were subsequently shot for it. Thank you for appealing and good luck for your appeal.

Hello, I am the Staff member that issued your ban You were banned for handing out guns to civilians and telling them to shoot up large groups of people, actively telling them to commit MRDM. Here is the clip: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/iLbyMsSyZfup1PYzc/d1337pO6vbxO?invite=cr-MSxtMGwsMTgwMTgyMzk0LA You were reported by a player for this, and the second I teleported to you, you were actively telling a civilian to shoot up a crowd of NSB that were serving a warrant without any RP context. When I asked you in a sit why you were telling civilians to shoot up crowds of people, you lied and hence you were banned. I don't know why you would try to blatantly lie about this in your appeal when you were spectated while telling a civilian to shoot up a crowd of people.

Again, as I stated before, wether or not you intend to kill someone or just knock them out by purposefully running them over in order to arrest them doesn't matter; it is still considered VDM. A police officer doesn't just run people over with his car so that he can then arrest them, there is no rp in there whatsoever. Here is the VDM Guideline for you: You may not run an individual over with your vehicle unless your life is in danger. I.e. the individual(s) are shooting at you or present an immediate life threat. Players who deliberately run towards moving vehicles or show a clear disregard for their own safety by running out into the road and not looking for oncoming vehicles and are then killed as a result would not be classed as VDM. Regarding your other claim that you were the only one being targetted for nitrp, after you weren't on the server anymore the other party general who was also minging was also handled. You weren't the "only one to be targeted with nitrp" you were simply the only one that decided to run someone over when it was completely unnecessary and were therefore banned.

Hello, I am the staff member that issued your ban You were banned for VDM. Here is the clip: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/iDSfLA940p9OZzQAV/d1337uMFRuz2?invite=cr-MSxpbFcsMTgwMTgyMzk0LA I was heading over to the BB as my transfer was just approved so that I could transfer. When I went there, a group of high ranking party and vw co's kept minging near me and using FailRP terms constantly. You were a part of that group. None of you attempted to actually rp with me properly; there was no attempt made to detain me or conduct anything else with me. You were simply minging on higher ranking characters late at night. After your party group had me completely surrounded, you did not detain me even though you had the chance to do so. When I then left and kept going to the BB one party general kept following, me and I made him multiple warnings to back off; however, no gun was pointed at anyone, and there was no actual live threat to any person on the scene. You then decided to run your car directly into me without any proper reason or previous attempt to detain me. You intending to knock someone out by running them over, in order to arrest them is not only illogical but also not a valid reason to actually run someone over.

Hello, I am the Staff member that issued your ban You were banned for VDM, driving a car right into our group when we just moved out to serve a warrant. This wasn't the first time that we got randomly killed, run over by a civilian while we were attempting to serve a warrant that day and were therefore already a bit tired of it. Here is the clip: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/itTHkJMl4oRnHOwwx/d13373XoshBw?invite=cr-MSw0QXQsMTgwMTgyMzk0LA If you had no intensions to run into us then I would understand this appeal more, however you were driving down the entire road and had a clear vision that we were crossing the street on the cross walk, you could've easily avoided running the car into us. Instead you drove right even though we were actively crossing the street. Good luck on your appeal

Hello I am the Staff member that requested the PK on your character, You made a ticket requesting to have a civilian pk'd, because of the civilians request to commit suicide. The civilian agreed to being shot, you were informed that the indivdual is PK active and you then decided to pistol whip the civilian to death, however as you were still shooting at the civs body, your colleague pulled out his pistole killing you. Unlike what TheOblivionist is stating here, I did not just ignore "PK guidelines (last resort, "pking for doing one's legal work)", you must always beaware that whenever you are executing a PK, that you yourself are at risk of being PK'd. Weither or not your colleague killed you on accident, you took the risk of being pk'd in the situation by personally hitting the civilian to death on your own volition. I also did not "violate the PK guidelines" for overviewing the situation, as I wasn't there to overwatch a PK on Denis Spitz, I was there to overwatch the requested Suicide PK on a civilian, while overwatching the PK of the civilian, you yourself died while executing the PK, which opened your own character for a PK, on the PK Guideline of Dying while carrying out a PK. After you were shot by your colleague, a member of the Administration reviewed a clip of the situation and approved this PK. Edit: Before this appeal I have not seen the other perspective of the NSB-Chefinspektor. In the other colleagues perspective it does look like he was attempting to shoot the civilians body and shot you on accident. Because of the new perspective of the situation I just recieved I would personally be more lenient on this PK, as it does seem like you were shot in the crossfire by your superior. I will leave the rest of this appeal up for a member of UA to decide on this appeal.

Hello, I am the Staff Member that issued your ban. You were banned for committing RDM during a trial that was being held and was at its end. Your original ban was a 3 day ban. As stated before by a member of UA, your ban was extended due to you attempting to evade your ban. Please include in your appeal your violation of Global Rule 11.

+1 Has experience and is active in the community

Hello, For clarification you didn't lose any items after (or because) you were shot, you requested to have the mugging voided because I shot you on accident and to be comped for everything mugged off you. I informed you that only UA has the ability to void entire situations, and that I personally do not possess the 4000 DM that you demanded as a compensation.