Bring back The Forest

[rydog]

Description of the idea: Add a giant forest back, possibly with a lake or something else in one area like a canyon or something to gather around. Maybe a small village? The river would be fun as well again, a long with the lake, dam

 

Why should this be added?: The map is small, sure it has an enjoyable aspect to it, were all super close and personal. I find that pretty old nowadays and want a forest again. A big forest with a lot of space to do stuff in private, with my factions, maybe just drive around in. The last one was beautiful and I miss it. The caves were fun to take people in and scare them, the lake was fun to hangout at and discuss stuff, there was a river with a mountain range, a train station with warehouses, farm house, cornfield(?), air field (KG FTW), and many other aspects including another river, huge forest. In the odd hours of the night when the server population is low, we'd have a lot of people still on and kidnapping people in the forest, playing spooky music, growing drugs, and the roleplay had a lot of wars in it. Two summers ago I worked for the Kaisergarde under Brownie and Callaway as Carlos Rammstein, we had a period of time where we'd have battles that lasted for six hours, fighting the VW, NSB, Military, LAPO. LAPO would have periods of huge strength and is the LAPO almost completely irrelevant nowadays? I remember a time when the military would actually go to war with other factions when other factions would attempt to arrest their leaders. 

 

What negatives could this have?: It makes the maps bigger so the NSB might find their job actually hard to do instead of them stomping everyone out like Darla from Finding Nemo. Make Berlin more fun again. God bless. 

 

Additional information: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/1LUMQibiTOesPK/spok?invite=cr-MSx0ZzMsMTkyMjQ1NzU5LA

 

[ItzTreywayyツ]

+1

Just bring the forest back thats all we want!

[misterbaseball99]

Huge huge +1. I would like to bring factions together. And this is what brought us together. And game master events might even be more frequent and would overall make this server a much more fun experience 

Edited January 2 by misterbaseball99
Make the +1 Bigger

[Warsteiner37]

+1

[Spedu]

 

+1 

we need the forrest back for drugs for the marines and for tank training 

 

[Helsing]

+1 I think having the forest offered a nice balance between the bustling inner city and the natural side of Berlin. While not much occured outside the city I think the concept is worthy of being revisited if a new map iteration is ever on the table.

[Hound]

It's always interesting watching suggestions about bringing back the forest get so much positive response. The forest was almost literally never used for anything besides people making drugs. Next to zero roleplay occurred there.

[misterbaseball99]

50 minutes ago, Hound said:

It's always interesting watching suggestions about bringing back the forest get so much positive response. The forest was almost literally never used for anything besides people making drugs. Next to zero roleplay occurred there.

I think things will change. Its just the Officers and Command Staff Have to organize stuff to do. If A lot of people are giving positive responses I think it will change

Edited January 3 by misterbaseball99
Had to add something

[Capitol]

+1 The forest was an excellent feature for extended outer city patrols, the Marines had a river to patrol in and many other fun shenanigans also happened in the outer city. There were also the mines, the labor ministry had an area for people to work, lumber jacking and a large piece of land for wars to take place outside of the city. Especially halftrack and military patrols taking place outside of the city too to make work for the military. Just please for the love of God, do not bring back the outer city compound.

[Rob]

+1

It was nice to get out of the city and hang in the woods. Could be fun to use for skirmishes between rival factions.

[JimmyJr]

+1 

Bring it back why not.

[Lentz]

When the forest maps we're around it was alot of fun, but as Hound stated it was really never used for anything, drugs we're being made in the forest and MAYBE sometimes wargames would be hosted. I don't see a reason why the forest should be added since it almost NEVER got used.

[rydog]

10 hours ago, Hound said:

It's always interesting watching suggestions about bringing back the forest get so much positive response. The forest was almost literally never used for anything besides people making drugs. Next to zero roleplay occurred there.

Huh???? The forest was used so much, obviously not as common as the town square, Reichstag or ICC but a close comparison would be the church for sure. It was the most used place besides any other factions spawn point. Most random comparison next to zero guy.

[that_cookie]

was the outer city compound the old luft base, or something else 

[Spedu]

18 hours ago, Hound said:

It's always interesting watching suggestions about bringing back the forest get so much positive response. The forest was almost literally never used for anything besides people making drugs. Next to zero roleplay occurred there.

i blame the NSB as they would hunt millitary in the city and forrest to do STATE MANDATED DOSSIERS!!!! but there has been RP in the forrest like the civilian dam malitia vs army, lapo and kg theres been also panzer training also the navy would build theyre funny boats sure like 80% of the time its not used but it means there is 80% event rich story if you look deep enough you will find gold 

 

[Cravfe]

Ill just re-paste this from when i typed this in the staff chat months ago 

Dear @Major Whoreson , We the people understand that you're not a big fan of large maps, but we believe reintroducing the forest area could really enhance the immersive experience on the server, especially given its political and imperialistic roleplay setting. The forest area opens up unique possibilities. It’s not just an aesthetic change; it would allow factions to interact with the environment in meaningful ways. Dynamic Police Chases: Expanding the map would give police units and criminals more room to maneuver, making for longer, more exciting chases. The forest could serve as a tactical advantage for both sides, whether it’s hiding from pursuit or setting up roadblocks and ambushes. Exploration and Adventure: Having the outer city forest provides a great area for players who enjoy driving and exploring. It could serve as a secluded meeting place for political plots, illegal deals, or secret military maneuvers, making every corner of the map feel more alive and unpredictable. We totally understand your concerns about map size and server performance, but we believe that with proper balancing, the benefits could outweigh the drawbacks. It could breathe new life into the server’s roleplay experience. Thank you for considering our thoughts! We know you're dedicated to making the server the best it can be, and we hope you'll give this idea another thought. Yours Truley, SkibidiSigmaLunchlyHawkTuahCostcoStillwaterMango855

[Brownpug]

+1

Honestly miss when we had the forest.

[dlggrif]

+1 have alot of good RP memories of the forest even when the mansion was there fighting in the forest against gangs and other military forces.

[Chegg_Awful]

Neutral. Leaning +1.

 

I think it would be cool to see. But, unless there is a reason to be out there, like a factions base or building, it just makes the map bigger. Maybe move the fishing spots out there?

[rydog]

On 1/3/2025 at 12:32 PM, Cravfe said:

Ill just re-paste this from when i typed this in the staff chat months ago 

Dear @Major Whoreson , We the people understand that you're not a big fan of large maps, but we believe reintroducing the forest area could really enhance the immersive experience on the server, especially given its political and imperialistic roleplay setting. The forest area opens up unique possibilities. It’s not just an aesthetic change; it would allow factions to interact with the environment in meaningful ways. Dynamic Police Chases: Expanding the map would give police units and criminals more room to maneuver, making for longer, more exciting chases. The forest could serve as a tactical advantage for both sides, whether it’s hiding from pursuit or setting up roadblocks and ambushes. Exploration and Adventure: Having the outer city forest provides a great area for players who enjoy driving and exploring. It could serve as a secluded meeting place for political plots, illegal deals, or secret military maneuvers, making every corner of the map feel more alive and unpredictable. We totally understand your concerns about map size and server performance, but we believe that with proper balancing, the benefits could outweigh the drawbacks. It could breathe new life into the server’s roleplay experience. Thank you for considering our thoughts! We know you're dedicated to making the server the best it can be, and we hope you'll give this idea another thought. Yours Truley, SkibidiSigmaLunchlyHawkTuahCostcoStillwaterMango855

Thank you for this response fam, I love the extra evidence. Chad response in my opinion. 

Also thank you to everyone else to everyone else that came together and spent their free time to respond to this post positively or negatively. Let's pump up the jam!!

[Pennywise]

+1 yes bring back the forest 

 

[Major Whoreson]

Except none of these things ever happened. You guys are pretending like we didn't spend 8 years with it. You can't just say "OMG IF WE HAD DA FORWEST XYZ WOULD HAPPEN SO COOL!"

 

We know all of these "epic" RP occurences won't happen. You guys won't do them. We have almost a decade of evidence to prove you guys won't do them. If a map update ever comes back around I may look into it, but don't hold your breath. The forest saw less than 10% of the maps usage despite taking up 30% of the assets. Terrible value.

[thug]

The forest really only worked as a pseudo-event zone. Whether that be the Berghoff, or war games, or the dam, whatever. It didn't actually exist to produce much or create much, it was just an artificial extension of the map that saw concentrated but infrequent use. Also, searching for one dude who ran into the forest as police was insanely annoying because, unlike real life, you didn't really get tips or have dogs or anything you just had to walk around.

 

I would say that some things about this current map COULD be optimized and see some more productive results. The entire industrial district is a ghost town and represents what the forest once was, which is just a place for people to hide and make drugs that nobody ever goes to. Maybe a small outer-city area could be added if you took that area and the Pantheon garden and added like 20% to that, but it is a little pointless.

 

The only real major thing the forest had going for it in terms of every day RP was that the reserve army, at a few points in time, was stationed in the Outer City Compound. It produced constant fighting because the military struggled a bit to get recruits out there, but also had far more power out there. That power of course came at a sacrifice of it being far easier to say the reserve army could not enter the city armed. This meant there was near constant fighting over the OCC, and it also made the military get fewer numbers and be more divided, which meant that they had less of an ability to just say no to things and shoot anyone who refused to accept their no.

 

Tldr, outside of having a sort of punishment (albeit cool) base, the forest had no actual purpose, at least in my time, and people are just doing the typical "this old thing was so much better!" that they always do when they get a little bored with a map. A more extensive MOI that had better wings (rather than the effective singular wing we have right now) and an ICC that had more of a focus on ground troops, along with an overhaul to the industrial area, would be far more in line with what people expect out of bringing the forest back.

[Sparrow]

I loved the Forest! I remember seeing photos of a Forest in the pictures they released teasing the new map we have now and don't know why they scrapped it.

+1

Edited 22 hours ago by Sparrow

[gay robot]

+1