Patrik Busch's pk appeal

[Patrick Ting]

Character's name & rank: Major Patrik Busch

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX):     STEAM_0:1:98538901

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Prime

Explain why you were PK'd: I was PKd for allegedly denying 2 PCOs around 7-10 days ago respectfully due to IC reasons (them not being formatted properly and not having the correct information) as well as being broken out of the MOI by 2 LaPo and a KG.

Why should you be un-PK'd?:

First issue: This was already dealt with in court. I was demoted from an Oberst to an Oberleutnant, served 30 years, and paid a 100k Deutschmark fine. The first "denied" PCO was when there was a line through the signature of the PCO. I told the NSB officer to leave, get it fixed, and return. This was seen as a denial, and I was PCO'd for it. The other PCO was denied for not following an interpretation of an existing law. I was tried in court for this misinterpretation, and was found guilty, hence the punishment mentioned above.

The other day I was PCOd and whilst in the cells I was broken out by 2 LaPo and a KG. I did not organize it and did admittedly leave, but when I was called back to the MOI I complied and returned. After I returned I successfully argued standing and was released. I just feel like they did not try every option with me before PKing me and that most of this PKs justification was based on the PCOs that was handled already.

Additional Information:
After being "released" from the MOI I spawned myself a car and tried to drive away. Upon driving towards the ICC I saw 2 "civilians" with mp40s out and ran them over with my car. Upon driving successfully past them I was frozen and my car deleted. I'm not sure what the point of C flags is if I cannot use them to transport myself from one far location to another. Seems there probably should be some more clarification on that.

[Major Whoreson]

I'll leave the rest for a member of UA, but for your point of C flags, I think you may just be retarded. No additional clarification is required, it's common sense. You cannot pull a car out of your ass. C flags are not there for you to spawn a car where you wouldn't have a car. Either need to be at your HQ, a garage, or sometimes just even somewhere secluded or even just around the corner so no one can see you spawn it. And the goal is to never spawn it in front of people when on a main road. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but in this instance, it definitely doesn't work.

 

Also, that would count as starting a gunfight and dying btw, so if they had shot you, 100% you'd be PKd from that, I understand that's not what you'd be PKd for, but just thought I'd let you know.

[Patrick Ting]

14 minutes ago, Major Whoreson said:

I'll leave the rest for a member of UA, but for your point of C flags, I think you may just be retarded. No additional clarification is required, it's common sense. You cannot pull a car out of your ass. C flags are not there for you to spawn a car where you wouldn't have a car. Either need to be at your HQ, a garage, or sometimes just even somewhere secluded or even just around the corner so no one can see you spawn it. And the goal is to never spawn it in front of people when on a main road. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but in this instance, it definitely doesn't work.

 

Also, that would count as starting a gunfight and dying btw, so if they had shot you, 100% you'd be PKd from that, I understand that's not what you'd be PKd for, but just thought I'd let you know.

Just to clarify I was alone in front of the MOI and thank you for the info about that. I was not aware that was classified as starting a gunfight.

[calloway]

This appeal misrepresents both the timeline and rationale behind the PK.

First, the punishment received during the earlier trial (demotion, jail time which was never served, and a fine) was acknowledged, but that was not the primary reason the PK was issued. I initially requested a PK after that trial, but it was denied due to lack of final justification. That was fine. What changed was your behavior afterward.

Over the following week, you continued to escalate:

- You began collecting and logging information on NSB personnel without jurisdiction (we had evidence)

- You publicly defied and antagonized the NSB. 

- You were present at the scene of an NSB agent’s assassination and then escaped our custody during an armed breach. (we had evidence and direct corroboration)

Whether you planned the escape or not is irrelevant—what mattered was that you left willingly with armed individuals of which we had concrete evidence were not "2 lapo and 1 kg". That event was the final justification for the PK. It confirmed a pattern of active defiance, circumvention of consequences, and alignment with hostile elements. It wasn’t a random escalation, it was the culmination of everything leading up to that point.

Not every detail can or should be disclosed due to its relevance to other players and ongoing roleplay. But the decision was reviewed, justified, and accepted, not based on a single isolated event, but a sustained pattern that I was able to prove.

Your character was given multiple opportunities to walk back from the line. He kept sprinting past it. In my opinion, what I had was more than enough for your characters PK.

Edited Saturday at 07:03 PM by calloway

[Patrick Ting]

23 hours ago, calloway said:

This appeal misrepresents both the timeline and rationale behind the PK.

First, the punishment received during the earlier trial (demotion, jail time which was never served, and a fine) was acknowledged, but that was not the primary reason the PK was issued. I initially requested a PK after that trial, but it was denied due to lack of final justification. That was fine. What changed was your behavior afterward.

Over the following week, you continued to escalate:

- You began collecting and logging information on NSB personnel without jurisdiction (we had evidence)

- You publicly defied and antagonized the NSB. 

- You were present at the scene of an NSB agent’s assassination and then escaped our custody during an armed breach. (we had evidence and direct corroboration)

Whether you planned the escape or not is irrelevant—what mattered was that you left willingly with armed individuals of which we had concrete evidence were not "2 lapo and 1 kg". That event was the final justification for the PK. It confirmed a pattern of active defiance, circumvention of consequences, and alignment with hostile elements. It wasn’t a random escalation, it was the culmination of everything leading up to that point.

Not every detail can or should be disclosed due to its relevance to other players and ongoing roleplay. But the decision was reviewed, justified, and accepted, not based on a single isolated event, but a sustained pattern that I was able to prove.

Your character was given multiple opportunities to walk back from the line. He kept sprinting past it. In my opinion, what I had was more than enough for your characters PK.

"Collecting and logging information on NSB" - Collecting statements and making reports isn't something I'd consider PKable. That's my job, and nothing was acted upon. Also, everything I made a report on was within my jursidction, whether it be violations of military policy, internal conflicts, or witness statements from military personnel. I never explicitly ordered information to be collected on NSB personnel; the only information I had gathered was when it related to witness statements from the military.
"Publicly defied and antagonized NSB" - Super broad, I really don't even know what to say about this one given how broad that is. If anything I believe the reverse is truer as I have not been able to do much with my department after being repeatedly harassed by the NSB whether it be them trying to take me to trial, give up military documents, and or just accusing me of baseless things. Every time I am brought into the MOI it seems I am there from 2-5 hours each time as they repeatedly ask the same questions of me. It seems the NSB and the MOI as a whole publicly defied the War Marschall's marshal law and attempted to try me in a non-military court despite the siege law being enacted.
"Present at the scene of an NSB agent's assassination" - I was in the cells and was instructed to leave at gunpoint. I willingly returned after I was requested to come back. Furthermore, Reto's PK was appealed, so a huge portion of this reason seems to be based on an overturned RP event.

[calloway]

1 hour ago, Patrick Ting said:

"Collecting and logging information on NSB" - Collecting statements and making reports isn't something I'd consider PKable. That's my job, and nothing was acted upon. Also, everything I made a report on was within my jursidction, whether it be violations of military policy, internal conflicts, or witness statements from military personnel. I never explicitly ordered information to be collected on NSB personnel; the only information I had gathered was when it related to witness statements from the military.
"Publicly defied and antagonized NSB" - Super broad, I really don't even know what to say about this one given how broad that is. If anything I believe the reverse is truer as I have not been able to do much with my department after being repeatedly harassed by the NSB whether it be them trying to take me to trial, give up military documents, and or just accusing me of baseless things. Every time I am brought into the MOI it seems I am there from 2-5 hours each time as they repeatedly ask the same questions of me. It seems the NSB and the MOI as a whole publicly defied the War Marschall's marshal law and attempted to try me in a non-military court despite the siege law being enacted.
"Present at the scene of an NSB agent's assassination" - I was in the cells and was instructed to leave at gunpoint. I willingly returned after I was requested to come back. Furthermore, Reto's PK was appealed, so a huge portion of this reason seems to be based on an overturned RP event.

Much of the argument presented here hinges on selective framing, misdirection, and minimizing context. Let's address the points directly:

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“Collecting and logging information on NSB isn't PKable.”

You're downplaying what was a clear, consistent effort to monitor NSB activity far outside the normal bounds of your role. While you claim it was “within jurisdiction,” the information being gathered wasn’t isolated to internal military affairs, it intersected repeatedly with NSB operations and personnel which we had obtained. You may not have issued formal orders, but the behavior formed part of a larger pattern of overreach and obstruction, especially after a prior conviction. PKs are not just about a single illegal act, they’re about cumulative behavior that becomes untenable. This was part of that.

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“Publicly defied and antagonized NSB” is too broad.

It’s only broad because the list is long. Post-trial, you continued to act in defiance, challenging detainment, refusing to provide documentation, resisting lines of questioning, and generally obstructing process (I specifically knew you'd react this way, which is why I pushed you in this direction.). Whether you felt justified doesn’t change the pattern of IC resistance that, over time, made your position indefensible. You were not targeted arbitrarily, you were given multiple chances to deescalate and work with me. You chose not to.

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“Present at the scene of an assassination / I returned willingly”

You’re omitting what actually happened. You were broken out by armed individuals during an MOI breach and left the building with them. Whether you walked or were “told to leave at gunpoint” is not the issue—the issue is that you left at all. That behavior, in combination with prior escalation, is what sealed the PK. Whether Reto's PK was later appealed doesn’t change that your involvement in the breach was real and actionable.

You’re treating this appeal as if it’s a court trial. It’s not. PKs are not decided on who “technically” committed a crime, they’re based on sustained, unrecoverable character trajectories that make continued RP what it is. I can argue technicalities all day, because I almost certainly think I am right in this situation, but that's not my point here. You had multiple high-profile infractions, were given multiple second chances, and continued to escalate, and they were all written down and verified. I was able to match your behavior to crimes committed, and got a PK approved because of that.

[Coffee]

Denied.

After reviewing the full context of this appeal, including your responses, the original request, and the relevant IC events, I'm denying this appeal. The PK was valid, justified, and executed with sufficient cause based on your character's conduct.

Let's be absolutely clear, this PK was not issued solely because of the trial or PCO denials. That situation was handled with a demotion, a fine and time in jail. But facing consequences in court does not grant you immunity from further IC retaliation, especially when your actions after that trial continued to escalate against the NSB. The NSB, more than any other faction will persue further action against you, legal or illegal.

If your behavior towards the NSB then continues to pose a threat after the trial. Then you are certainly not protected by that trial, you were warned by it. If anything, the court outcome placed your character under increased scrutiny. What followed was repeated defiance, intelligence gathering on the NSB, obstruction and ultimately fleeing NSB custody during a military led breach this fully justified an IC response from the NSB beyond any legal proceedings. At that point it becomes entirely reasonable for the NSB to want to murder your character.

You don't get to provoke the NSB repeatedly, get broken out of their custody by armed members of the military and then argue you should still be safe because you complied "eventually". Your decision to leave with them, regardless of intent is what made this PK justifiable along with your other actions.

On top of that, there was an active case file detailing your conduct, including your internal statements referring to the NSB as kidnappers and criminals. That's not going to be taken lightly that's seen as a declarion of hositilty against the NSB, and it further supports the justification that your character had entered open opposition against the NSB.