Bobb Pikemen PK appeal

[Twister]

Character's name & rank: Polizeinspektor Bobb Pikemen

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX): 

STEAM_0:0:294292033

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Jack

Explain why you were PK'd: FearRP

Why should you be un-PK'd?: We were outside the ICC asking a Feldjager if they would be interested in transferring. The feldmarshall comes outside the base and tells us to leave which was no problem. We began to leave and got into our car and then the Feldmarshall ordered us to be detained. The military started swarming us, I radio in the Military is detaining us. They then immediately open fire after 5 seconds. One guy apparently had spammed a message in chat saying not to use radio, which I did not see. I also was radioing as he was saying it. I believe there are multiple rules and precedent that you have to give reasonable time for you to react. I also was not alone and inside a vehicle which makes it less justifiable to say I was 'risking my life' by radioing in. Overall this PK was poorly handled and the RP situation was basically over as we were leaving, as the feldmarshall told us to.  There was literally no reason to detain us either.

This is the clip used to justify the PK: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kCtaaOLQjOsgJYzfC?invite=cr-MSxWcEEsNzIxNzA1NjU 

[nugget]

Hey, I am the individual in the Military that executed the PK, alongside requested it. Let's first pick into this appeal,

 

18 minutes ago, Twister said:

The military started swarming us, I radio in the Military is detaining us.

I gave you specific orders to not radio in as it compromised the secrecy of the detainment of yourself and another individual within the Gericht. After giving you such you proceeded to radio in to you're faction that you were detained which gave me one option to kill you, and end the life of Bobb Pikeman.

 

20 minutes ago, Twister said:

They then immediately open fire after 5 seconds.

The 10 second rule stopped applying after you proceeded to radio in against the orders of myself while under gunpoint from myself and other individual within the Military. This resulted in the death of you're character.

 

23 minutes ago, Twister said:

RP situation was basically over as we were leaving

This does not matter one bit my friend, you're men proceeded to smart-off to the Field Marshal which resulted in him ordering your arrest, which resulted in your death.

 

23 minutes ago, Twister said:

There was literally no reason to detain us either.

This also does not matter at all during PKs, you were detained and you broke Fearp.


Most of the stuff said in this appeal does not even mean anything for PK appeals. Nor, was this PK handled poorly. There was clear RP done in the situation, and at the end of the situation you refused to comply with my order under fearp which resulted in the untimely demise of Bobb Pikeman.

[KaiserKrause]

Hello! I was the Gericht member in vehicle with Twister, this is my response to what was stated above by nugget. 

I was inside the vehicle with Twister during the entire situation, and the PK of his character, Bobb Pikeman, was unjustified under multiple rules regarding FearRP, escalation, and lawful detainment. According to FearRP guidelines, detainment must be based on a valid in-character reason—none was provided. We were complying with an earlier order to leave when, suddenly, a vague command to “detain” was issued with no clear cause, and an officer in the military issued a rushed warning not to radio. While chat was active and overlapping, Twister sent a radio message about our detainment, which was already in progress when that order appeared. Within five seconds, we were fired upon. This violates General Rule #2 and FearRP Rule #1, which both require a visible warning and a minimum ten-second window to comply. We were inside a reversing vehicle, which further limits what could be interpreted as non-compliance—FearRP Rule #7 specifically says it only applies to immobilized vehicles with armed parties within five feet issuing direct orders. That was not the case here. There was no attempt to escalate through non-lethal means or to give us a fair chance to surrender—this was a direct jump from vague detainment to immediate execution, violating Killing Rules #1 and #10. The idea that “none of this matters for a PK” is incorrect—General Rule #18 makes clear that a PK must follow all server rules to be valid. If the FearRP itself was not properly established, the PK cannot stand. I am requesting that the PK be voided, Bobb Pikeman’s character be restored, and that clarification be issued stating that FearRP-based orders must be clearly delivered and followed by an adequate reaction window, especially when the subject is in a vehicle with limited ability to respond.

[nugget]

22 minutes ago, KaiserKrause said:

minimum ten-second window

Well that is out of the window when you break FearRP and radio when told not to.

 

23 minutes ago, KaiserKrause said:

Twister sent a radio message about our detainment, which was already in progress when that order appeared.

Absolutely untrue, you can review the clip I submitted to get the character PKed.

 

23 minutes ago, KaiserKrause said:

detainment must be based on a valid in-character reason

This applies to like insulting someone OOCly and them detaining you based off of that, realistically in this server you can get detained for no reason. Which at that point you pursue ICly.

24 minutes ago, KaiserKrause said:

FearRP itself was not properly established

Yes it was, I clearly stated in chat to stop moving. Alongside another individual stating in chat to not move aswell.

27 minutes ago, KaiserKrause said:

none was provided

Reason to be detained does not have to be provided at all.

In conclusion to my response. I will reiterate the fact, 1. The Character was detained and shot for an IC reason. 2. FearRP was properly established by two individuals, and Bobb Pikeman failed to listen to our orders which lead to his untimely death. 3. The Order to not radio in while under gunpoint, was clearly stated before radioing in.

 

 

[KaiserKrause]

Your response doesn’t align with the server’s FearRP rules or even your own submitted actions. Let’s clarify something critical: we were never pulled out of the vehicle. At the time of the “don’t radio” message, our car was actively reversing and still in motion. FearRP Rule #7 is explicit—FearRP does not apply to individuals inside a moving vehicle. The only time it does is when the vehicle is immobilized, the armed party is within five feet, and orders are clearly issued. None of that applied here. You claim the order to not radio came first—but again, I was in the car with Twister. The message was already being sent when your chat line appeared. There is no cancel function for typed radio—it sends once the Enter key is hit, and when it comes to radio via voice, that is even more perdinant. You did not give the minimum 10 seconds required by General Rule #2 and FearRP Rule #1. You issued one fast-scrolling line of text, while chat was active and cluttered, and fired less than five seconds later. That’s not FearRP—it’s an ambush. You also stated, and I quote, “you can get detained for no reason.” That is a direct violation of FearRP Rule #3, which requires that detainment and FearRP have valid justification. Claiming you don’t need one is openly admitting to powergaming. FearRP cannot be weaponized to force a kill without meeting the proper conditions, and this situation failed those conditions across the board. This was not a lawful detainment or a valid PK—it was a rapid escalation from a passive RP interaction into a rule-bending execution.

[Twister]

Your whole justification for my PK is that I went against your orders. Your orders were not clearly given (just spamming a bind in chat is not clear). Also as I stated before, I began transmitting my message as you were giving said orders. I also feel this is not very genuine RP as you guys shot us both, not just me, which says you didnt intend on even detaining us or wanting to create a further RP scenario. There was no active threat or reason to shoot us other then me transmitting a radio message within the 5 seconds of being ordered to detain us and then shooting us. Im sure if you guys wanted to actually RP with us and detain us you would have waited for us to react properly to your demands. Another thing to mention is that in the clip I only count two people actually aiming weapons at us. This does not seem like enough to make sense that the Richterprasident of the police courts, one of the top leaders in control of a powerful court, and the deputy chief of the gendarmerie to be feared by two random Military aiming guns at us while we are driving in our staff car.