Dieters ban appeal

[FatDog]

Your Name: Dieter 

SteamID: 76561198253579610

Appeal Type (Apology or Dispute): both

Which staff member banned you?: Patrick Ting

How long is your ban for?: 5 days

Why were you banned?: Ltarp, failrp

Why do you deserve to be unbanned?: So to start off i would say sorry because I believe I did break a rule of tying up someone of a higher rank, that being said the person I tied up was prop glitching to get on top of the ores where they couldnt be touched two wrongs dont make a right. That being said after tying this person who was in the ministry of labor I beleive they proceeded to use OOC to say "shut down the warehouse." where ore could be sold. I proceeded to make it there and then to the bank where an attempt for my arrest was made. I complied and turned around and had a firearm on me and as I was being tied one of the officers shot me. This happened quickly but in RP. ( I never fired my weapon or anything." I then  proceeded to sit int he train station and the people arresting me came immediately to me which I believe is failrp as they would have no idea where I would be not given the knowledge of the spawn-point. They then proceeded to talk about calling admins and such for a pk, but shot me and killed me again. After this I re spawned in and was arrested and transported to the ICC where they then again talked about PKing me in game. I was blindfolded and an admin came (patrick) and I asked to be taken to a sit, my comp disconnected and I messaged him on discord I would be back within 2 mins. I loaded back in and was abnned for Ltarp, fail rp, and ltap during a sit and was not given the chance to explain in game as the admin said I could just appeal here. Very unfortunate I got disconnected but I am not sure how this was taken as a legit RP scenario when I was killed in RP multiple times and was being spawn camped 2x after the fact for a rp scenario that transpired 20 mins before hand by the time I was taken to the ICC. I was also banned for PO's but have none to my knowledge and have been on the server for quite some time.  (besides maybe a flag offense for flying machines). Thanks for hearing me out! 

 

[Patrick Ting]

Hello I was the banning admin.

I am glad you did admit your wrongdoing in tying up a GO and acknowledging that rule, however, I urge you to read up on the rest of them as well. Specifically the New Life Rules 4 states:
Individuals are exempt from the "New Life Rule" if:
There is a public announcement describing the situation that occurred.
You are invoked in roleplay.
-Ex: You are called to a trial or are being arrested for the previous roleplay you partook in.

The minister was mining on top of the rock, which is fine to do, and you were easily able to detain him as shown in this clip you took: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kNVNkBoy2ViOWStgl?invite=cr-MSxWa2QsMTk2NDg1NTAz&v=30

Furthermore, you did not attempt to create a ticket about this supposed "prop glitching" situation nor about him allegedly using OOC means to convey IC information. I don't believe he did such a thing as I personally did not see it in OOC at the time.

You were being arrested from the previous roleplay you were in at the train station when you decided to sit down as show in this clip: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kNVT6fYuNLIe-utiu?invite=cr-MSxNTDMsMTk2NDg1NTAz&v=13

After that encounter you left the server to avoid repercussions of your IC actions. From there it looks like you returned on that character and were arrested. Upon bringing you into a sit your PC conveniently "crashes" which I have a hard time believing as the sit was for you LTARPing as well as robbing a GO. You also have quite an extensive ban history and notes so with that in mind that is why I issued the ban.
All in all, I believe the ban was fair, if not lenient considering POs, and should remain in place.

Attached are some screenshots showing your activities on the server ae. robbing the GO and LTARPing after they killed you for refusing to stand up.

[FatDog]

24 minutes ago, Patrick Ting said:

Hello I was the banning admin.

I am glad you did admit your wrongdoing in tying up a GO and acknowledging that rule, however, I urge you to read up on the rest of them as well. Specifically the New Life Rules 4 states:
Individuals are exempt from the "New Life Rule" if:
There is a public announcement describing the situation that occurred.
You are invoked in roleplay.
-Ex: You are called to a trial or are being arrested for the previous roleplay you partook in.

The minister was mining on top of the rock, which is fine to do, and you were easily able to detain him as shown in this clip you took: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kNVNkBoy2ViOWStgl?invite=cr-MSxWa2QsMTk2NDg1NTAz&v=30

Furthermore, you did not attempt to create a ticket about this supposed "prop glitching" situation nor about him allegedly using OOC means to convey IC information. I don't believe he did such a thing as I personally did not see it in OOC at the time.

You were being arrested from the previous roleplay you were in at the train station when you decided to sit down as show in this clip: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kNVT6fYuNLIe-utiu?invite=cr-MSxNTDMsMTk2NDg1NTAz&v=13

After that encounter you left the server to avoid repercussions of your IC actions. From there it looks like you returned on that character and were arrested. Upon bringing you into a sit your PC conveniently "crashes" which I have a hard time believing as the sit was for you LTARPing as well as robbing a GO. You also have quite an extensive ban history and notes so with that in mind that is why I issued the ban.
All in all, I believe the ban was fair, if not lenient considering POs, and should remain in place.

Attached are some screenshots showing your activities on the server ae. robbing the GO and LTARPing after they killed you for refusing to stand up.

Hello, thanks for supplyiong my own clip i gave you AFTER i was banned. As we chatted about in discord this clip was taken after being killed in RP 2x before hand and continuously spawn killed. I was then killed after getting up after this clip ( check logs) witch i suggested you do and you refused to. I am the one who requested to be brought into a sit which you replied " you are in a sit" then my pc crashed. why wopuld i ask to be in a sit then ltap and follow up with you on discord not even 2 mins later lol. Your quote is about NLR not applying when killed randomyl, the arresting officers chose to shoot me then arrest and kill me 2x more then youre saying I have to continue doing this as long as they wish? thats not serious roleplay. funny you can find the logs of my deaths but nom logs of the minister chatting in ooc. How is spawn camping the train station numerous times after already dying in RP ( which I gave you the clip of as well as them mentioning "mods" in character which violates metagame and failrp" justifiable? 

Again what PO's? as far as I am aware I have no bans on record minus a flag situation which was revoked, and again I literally messaged you I was rejoining off my phone when my pc crashed which follows the rules and was still banned before my case. 

The logs literally say "player killed" then I disconnected again this was after another death previously in RP. I never disconnected during RP, and complied with their orders. 

Edited August 1 by FatDog

[Patrick Ting]

6 minutes ago, FatDog said:

Hello, thanks for supplyiong my own clip i gave you AFTER i was banned. As we chatted about in discord this clip was taken after being killed in RP 2x before hand and continuously spawn killed. I was then killed after getting up after this clip ( check logs) witch i suggested you do and you refused to. I am the one who requested to be brought into a sit which you replied " you are in a sit" then my pc crashed. why wopuld i ask to be in a sit then ltap and follow up with you on discord not even 2 mins later lol. Your quote is about NLR not applying when killed randomyl, the arresting officers chose to shoot me then arrest and kill me 2x more then youre saying I have to continue doing this as long as they wish? thats not serious roleplay. funny you can find the logs of my deaths but nom logs of the minister chatting in ooc. How is spawn camping the train station numerous times after already dying in RP ( which I gave you the clip of as well as them mentioning "mods" in character which violates metagame and failrp" justifiable? 

Again what PO's? as far as I am aware I have no bans on record minus a flag situation which was revoked, and again I literally messaged you I was rejoining off my phone when my pc crashed which follows the rules and was still banned before my case. 

The logs literally say "player killed" then I disconnected again this was after another death previously in RP. I never disconnected during RP, and complied with their orders. 

You never requested a sit nor made a ticket about anything so Im not sure where that narrative is coming from. From the evidence provided to me it looks like you were not abiding by fear RP for the arrests made against you and LTARPd. You weren't "killed randomly", you repeatedly resisted arrest. Again, refer to the rule I stated where they can arrest you even if you die. The people arresting you remember your previous actions even if you are killed. 

The minister also said that information you allege was said through OOC chat actually through advertisements, an IC advertisement system, to "[ADVERTISEMENT] Arbeitsminister Erdogan Voß: Arrest that dribbling moron and have him hung" (referring to you and talking to the feld who he informed about your interaction with himself) and "[ADVERTISEMENT] Arbeitsminister Erdogan Voß: Feld look down the Ministry of Labor warehouse".

As for them mentioning staff in game I do agree they shouldn't have brought that OOC topic into IC voice communications, however, you can clearly see in that clip you were pretending to be AFK while sat down on that prop which shows that you did not intend to properly RP things out leaving them with little choice.

As for previous offenses you have several notes as well as 3 previous bans.

Finally, it took you around 20 minutes to reach out to me after you LTAPd from the sit to conveniently state "my pc crashed". You should have messaged me sooner if it was genuine.

All in all it seems like you are repeatedly lying in this ban appeal and do not understand where you messed up. Truthfully, it seems you do not understand roleplay, the server rules, nor how to reflect and learn from your mistakes. I would urge UA to take this into consideration when deciding on this appeal. This will be my final comment on this appeal as there isn't much more to say that hasn't been said already.

[FatDog]

" took 20 mins to reach out to you" , as soon as my pc was back on I messaged you through discord, i Had to go and find you on the server channel as we arent friends.  again, no you convienently left out the clips I gave you showing I complied when they said "quit moving" and was shot. Then was meta gamed through spawn location and killed again. then left. again, thats not serious roleplay, nor is it valid when the one initiating the rp metagamed through ooc which you left out the last message when in advertisement they said "lock or (something" and then he responds in OOC to the ad to bypass the advertisement wait time ( then the search leading to the arrest) 

I literally said while tied and blindfolded "hey patrick great an admin is here.  take me to a sit", again why would I leave when i requested to be in the sit lol then follow up with you.  Again no, i did not intend to rp after already roleplaying the situation out and being killed twice lol, doesnt look like they did either. 

youre then referencing clips I gave you after the ban to justify your ban decision when you did not have any information prior. 

the ban time also got  extended from 5 days to 2 weeks, again any ban on my account I appealed (looks like 1 and it got overturned for being a wrongful ban.) 

You literally admit they were using ooc comms in char yet still jsutify this as serious roleplay after being spawn killed twice and once in rp.  pretty hypocritical. 

Again, I was banned for "ltap, ltarp" but left after i was killed for the second time, i never left during a rp scenario. 

Edited August 1 by FatDog

[Coffee]

Denied.

After a review of this appeal, the evidence provided, and your responses, this appeal is denied for the following reasons:

1. You Cannot Mug or Kidnap General Ranking Officers

This is clearly outlined in the server rules: 

General Rule 26: You can not mug or kidnap General Ranking Officers as these individuals command fear, respect, and would realistically have guards.

The person you mugged was the Minister of Labour and he is classed as a "General Ranking Officer".

I do appreciate that you acknowledged this rule break in your appeal, taking responsibility for that part was a good first step. However, the rest of the appeal fails to show the same level of accountability.

2. Pretending To Be AFK is FailRP

In the clip you provided, you sat down during an active arrest and failed to respond whilst you were clearly there, which is pretending to be AFK and while sitting, you cannot be tied up due to game mechanics which is why you did this to avoid getting arrested and this is just FailRP. The arresting officers then shot you so you would respawn, which would reset you and allow for the RP to continue with you standing, and able to be tied.

This was a logical and justified response by them.

3. You Disconnected Immediately After Respawning (LTARP)

Server logs clearly show that you disconnected by user about 5 seconds after being killed, not a timeout, not a crash. if your game had truly "crashed" the logs would indicate a connection timeout or error.

This is a textbook example of leaving to avoid roleplay (LTARP), especially considering that it happened while you were actively being arrested.

4. Going To Your Spawn Point Is Not Metgaming

It's completely normal during conflict scenarios (like a civil war or an arrest) for players to continue pursuing you after shooting you, including going to known spawn points. This is not metagaming, and it happens regularly during civil wars or even basic arrests. There's no rule violation here.

5. Deflecting Blame Doesn't Strengthen Your Case

You continously pointed out other's behavior, accusing them of using OOC terms or metagaming, but this appeal is about your conduct, not theirs. Deflecting attention from your own rulebreaks instead of taking ownership, is not going to help you get your appeal accepted.

6. Missed Opportunity for Accountability

This appeal could have been accepted if you had simply taken full accountability, apologised sincerely, and stopped trying to dispute each detail. But instead, you've attempted to challenge nearly every aspect of a situation that is well documented by the server logs and supported by your own clips that show that you're clearly in the wrong here.

I'd recommend using the remaining time on your ban to review the rules carefully and reflect on your approach to roleplay.