Gunther Heinrich Ban Appeal

[SomethingorOther]

Your Name: SomethingorOther

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX): STEAM_0:1:911503804

Appeal Type (Apology or Dispute):  Dispute

Which staff member banned you?: R4ged

How long is your ban for?: 28 days

Why were you banned?: RDMx2 | LTAP | NITRP | PO's

Why do you deserve to be unbanned?: The person I killed was being an annoying freak. The reasoning behind my shooting of my reporter was because  he was constantly yelling about being a faggot and "wanting dick" infront of the entire KG and LAPO. He said that " he was high in real life" IC then started asking fucking insane questions like "do you think the sandy hook shootings were fake?" and "are we gonna have a Colombine?" He was being a massive degen and the the entire audience that watched me kill him cheered when I did so. (These were two separate killings about 30 mins apart if I recall correctly). After I shot him he decided to give our leutnant an IC ultimatum that if he didnt punish me in character that he would report me for RDM. The two minutes after my second killing of him is shown in the clip below. For some reason you cannot hear my speech in said clip but I am talking throughout. But you can hear everyone is pretty much over his shit at this point and are really indifferent to the fact he was shot. The "reel" that is spoken about in the clip is footage of him talking about the aforementioned subjects of IRL school shootings, being high and... wanting penis. I unfortunately do not have clips of him saying these things IC. I invite anyone who has a clip of him saying this awful shit to send it to my discord: striniermine ) I do however have a screenshot of him speaking about the subjects of him being high and IRL school shootings in LOOC chat. Keep in mind however that he was saying this shit nonstop over the mic and was overall being a massive retard. I think that the LTAP is to do with the fact that I left the server about 20 mins after he threatened to get me banned. I believe the only reason I was banned is because I was unable to defend myself due to being absent. (In the screenshots provided you can see people telling him to stfu and celebrating that I shot him IC due to his genuinely freakish language. He just now decided to gloat on discord about getting me banned for a month. His discord name being Brody Foxx.)

All in all I think the actions I took were completely justified and im sure that everyone that was actually there would agree with me. Its not RDM if you had what was coming to you.

Additional Information: Proof (The guy is Josef Heinz): 
Him being a freak ingame: 
Discord gloating: 

Clip:  https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/ldrPGIcPd1ybScBLe?invite=cr-MSxCZ2ssNDIwOTY3NzE0&v=109

Edited 8 hours ago by SomethingorOther

[SomethingorOther]

Him admitting to ERP in the KG ooc discord : 

Edited Wednesday at 10:15 PM by SomethingorOther

[R4ged]

Hello, I am the staff member who banned you.

To start off on my reasoning on why I banned you is really because of your past offences, you've been banned 3 times before I banned you and all 3 were your being retarded and a Minge and 1 was about you RDMing twice again. You also have two notes that are RDM as well. I understand where your coming from on why you killed him twice this time, but you did it twice... You didn't even try to contact staff you just dealt with it yourself, this comes onto the next part I will be explaining.

 

Let me explain something here.

23 hours ago, SomethingorOther said:

After I shot him he decided to give our leutnant an IC ultimatum that if he didnt punish me in character that he would report me for RDM.

If or whenever someone says something about something that in the previous life or before they died they should not remember it that is breaking Life rule #2. Since you did nothing apart from shooting him again as no one wanted to deal with someone breaking NLR for some godly unknown reason.

 

23 hours ago, SomethingorOther said:

He said that " he was high in real life" IC then started asking fucking insane questions like "do you think the sandy hook shootings were fake?" and "are we gonna have a Colombine?"

These questions are failRP, anything relating to failRP should be reported to staff. And as such you did not report it you took it into your own hands and shot him instead.

This is breaking Metagame rule #7

 

Also along with your pictures you provided, they do not matter. If he did or didn't its all OOC unless its in character then its either a joke or an event he is actually interested in.

So in summery on why you were banned and my reasoning for doing so is primarily around that you didn't report it to staff or make a player report on the forums. You desided to take it in your own hands and shoot him, twice I will also say. Now if your gonna make an other responce stating that he was being annoying or being obnoxious then its just failRP, he isn't acting like a member of the KAISERS GAURD nor is he following metagame rules. So let this be a reminder to you, if someone is saying OOC comments in IC then it should be reported to staff as it is Metagame.

 

That is all I will provide, it is now up to UA's discretion. That is all have a good day. 

[SomethingorOther]

1 hour ago, R4ged said:

To start off on my reasoning on why I banned you is really because of your past offences, you've been banned 3 times before I banned you and all 3 were your being retarded and a Minge and 1 was about you RDMing twice again. You also have two notes that are RDM as well.

I have in the past gotten into altercations that have been deemed RDM. That was me acting rashly and retardedly. I do not believe that this was one of those times and as such I dont think I should be banned. I understand where you're coming from with this. I just want to make it clear that im not a career minger.

1 hour ago, R4ged said:

I understand where your coming from on why you killed him twice this time, but you did it twice... You didn't even try to contact staff you just dealt with it yourself, this comes onto the next part I will be explaining.

Yes, I admit to killing him twice within the span of 30 mins. He was warned more then 10+ times to shut his mouth by not just me, but every member of the KG 70% of whom outrank me due to the fact im simply a junior NCO. When it comes to the staff thing here is my defence: You see the military guy in the clip I presented? That dude had been waiting an hour to transfer into the KG with nobody coming due to there only being one staff who appeared to be AFK. All actions taken by me and other members of the KG were taken under the assumption that staff wouldnt be around to deal with it. I mean you banned me after I had already left the server.. thats why LTAP was tacked onto my ban note. You came in a long time after everyone had already forgotten about what went on. I mean after that clip me and my reporter did 20 minutes (What I remember but may be exaggerated) of marching drills  together with nobody taking us to a sit for the alleged RDM.

 

1 hour ago, R4ged said:

If or whenever someone says something about something that in the previous life or before they died they should not remember it that is breaking Life rule #2. Since you did nothing apart from shooting him again as no one wanted to deal with someone breaking NLR for some godly unknown reason.

I think our timelines are slightly messed up. The first time I killed him was when we were in the presence of around 15 people (Entire KG and LAPO had gathered for a war game) As you can see in the screenshot, people were reacting negatively to this guy both in IC and OOC. This ofcourse, was only a small portion of what was actually going on with this guy. Before I shot him I even suggested to our Leutnant that we detain him and have him discharged. He told me no with his reason I can only assume being there wouldnt be staff around to deal with him. Although, this could also be because we needed bodies for our war game. When I shot him nobody in that audience (Including a general and high ranking COs) reported me or him. You could MAYBE argue this was negligence on all of our parts but I feel in situations like this where due to there being a lack of staff there is nothing that can really be done anyway, combined with the fact we were all preparing for a war game it is fair to maybe ignore the fact the degenerate got shot. The second time he was shot was a pretty long while after the LAPO had left. He had been warned by his superiors to shut his trap about the weird ass shit he was saying . What got me to shoot him a second time was him saying "im not a faggot but I could really go for some dick right now" inside the LF barracks. The aftermath of me doing this can be seen in the clip below. The last time a shot him was before the clip was taken and I did not attempt to do so afterwards. 

 

2 hours ago, R4ged said:

These questions are failRP, anything relating to failRP should be reported to staff. And as such you did not report it you took it into your own hands and shot him instead.

This is breaking Metagame rule #7

Yes, this is true but I feel like you're unfairly laying blame at my feet for not reporting him. I would just like to repeat that nobody in the entire KG and LAPO reported him and even if they did it there is a high chance it wouldnt have gotten through in a timely enough fashion to do anything about it. I was the only one that actually took action to shut that moron up. I was then thanked for doing so. 
 

 

2 hours ago, R4ged said:

Also along with your pictures you provided, they do not matter. If he did or didn't its all OOC unless its in character then its either a joke or an event he is actually interested in.

Im slightly confused by this statement. I provided the screenshot to provide circumstantial evidence in place of a clip of him saying these things IC. You can see people reacting in character telling him to stop talking. You saying " its either a joke or an event he is actually interested in." is, im assuming in reference to him talking about those two IRL mass shootings.  Why would he be talking about that stuff in OOC anyway? I also call into question why hes so fascinated by school shootings that he feels the need to bring it up in Imperial Germany RP OOC chat. The LOOC message makes it clear these school shootings are on his mind for whatever fucked up reason. You can even see me reacting in LOOC to him saying it IC at the top of the screenshot. With all due respect our message was convayed poorly in this text block.

2 hours ago, R4ged said:

So in summery on why you were banned and my reasoning for doing so is primarily around that you didn't report it to staff or make a player report on the forums. 

I feel like this is moving the goal post slightly.  I was banned for RDM and LTAP. Not for failing to report someone breaking the rules. If this is the case then why arnt the 10+ people who witnessed him Break NLR, ERP and failRP not making ban appeal along side me?

2 hours ago, R4ged said:

You desided to take it in your own hands and shoot him, twice I will also say.

In both events he was given more than ample time to stop doing the things he was doing. He decided instead to continue to act like a dysgenic ghoul and as such he ended up getting shot twice. RDM is a random killing of a player. This was not random nor unjust. 

2 hours ago, R4ged said:

Now if your gonna make an other responce stating that he was being annoying or being obnoxious then its just failRP, he isn't acting like a member of the KAISERS GAURD nor is he following metagame rules.

This is also true. However I, like I said before am a very low rank in the KG so was unable to push for his removal effectively . The acting commander decided that despite his rule breaks and general repellent nature that he should stay in the KG.

2 hours ago, R4ged said:

So let this be a reminder to you, if someone is saying OOC comments in IC then it should be reported to staff as it is Metagame.

Refer to previous statements made about this subject.
 

2 hours ago, R4ged said:

That is all I will provide, it is now up to UA's discretion. 

Overall, I think what I did was just and the player in question got what he deserved. I will however concede that I may have been slightly rash in my decision making.  Sorry to anyone who has to read this large text wall.
 

2 hours ago, R4ged said:

That is all have a good day. 

God bless you and have a good day!