"FearRP" Pk

[DonaldJTrump]

Character's name & rank: Chiefinspector Frank Heinz

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX): STEAM_0:1:215860118

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know):  Goat

Explain why you were PK'd: Breaking fear rp

Why should you be un-PK'd?: I should be unpked because what they classified as FearRP, did not meet all the guidelines. A man pulled a gun on me when attempting to detain me, and gave me 1 single warning to stop, and the warning was given right before I was killed. I believe that under the pk guidelines it dosent significantly meet the required standards. I also feel that this wasnt used as a last resort in this instance. I also believe that the player who attempted to get me pked was pk hunting me showing he attempted to get me killed twice now in 2 days. When the warrant that was written was false, and already given valid evidence for it.

Additional Information: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/lyvObTyC1DfsJkVXO?invite=cr-MSxtMWIsMjI5NzA5NjM&v=60

 

1. If you're holding someone under FearRP and are issuing them orders/warnings to not do something, and they disobey you, then you may kill them; however, it should not be your first choice of action. In this situation, one single warning/order will not suffice, multiple warnings in a very short time span will also not suffice, you must give them adequate time to react. When in game, you are actively a part of the roleplay, and therefore you must also be actively aware of your environment as well. Any excuses such as “I couldn’t hear them because my headset was turned off” will not be permitted. Outside elements of the game cannot be used as an excuse to avoid FearRP or being PK’d (i.e. being AFK).
2. Purposefully subjecting someone into a situation which puts them under valid PK guidelines.
3. I would also like to note this same individual has been purposefully subjecting me into situations over the past 2 days, consistently trying to get me killed.

Edited 1 hour ago by DonaldJTrump

[Saito]

Hi!

I was the one who spoke to you during that time, while the one with the Clip requested the PK.

- (context) You actively deserted from the Military using a dubious method, with a Justice Minister preemptively getting yourself a Pardon for desertion, which, quite frankly, was odd to me at the time, and the crimes before the situation that were committed.

- PK Hunting is when you are forced into situations where your goal is to be PK'd with no intent to RP. In this Instance, you were being detained and brought before a Court of Law. However, after being told you would be arrested, your very first action was to immediately act on it, Quote
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Generalmajor Matheus Johan Weiss: Detain him.
Chefinspektor Frank Heinz: Detain me? Well, that's not going to happen.
/
And started running inside, where a whole group of people was present, compared to our isolated area in front of the Reichstag.
Keep in mind, this isn't a Ruleplay server—context matters.  If a person were to have a Pistol shoved into their face while being surrounded by others with clear intent, one would fear for their life and stay still.  Instead, you even commented on the attempt while it was running, showing that you fully understood the situation.


-The burden of the PK in this case lies on you for disregarding the fear for your life through the intent to escape detention while actively under gunpoint.
-Last Resort (Not applicable as a point since it was your actions that brought this situation forward)
 

I wish you good luck with your Appeal!

[DonaldJTrump]

Just kinda wanted to let you know somethings that may have not been transponded. I didn’t desert from the military, I was court ordered transferred out for my safety, because of this exact reason.  I also wanted to note, It makes absolutely 0 sense why would a person attempt to have someone killed twice, but want them in your branch, and the only reason I would see is to start problems and mess with me. Whether you want to label it as pk hunting, or just straight revenge rp, it all falls down the same shoe. I also see you say that this isn’t a rule play server, that is the case but the role play still has to be kept within the rules, it is obvious i was given one warning and then shot, and the rules specifically go against that. 

Edited 7 hours ago by DonaldJTrump
N:A

[Saito]

2 hours ago, DonaldJTrump said:

Just kinda wanted to let you know somethings that may have not been transponded. I didn’t desert from the military, I was court ordered transferred out for my safety, because of this exact reason. I also wanted to note, It makes absolutely 0 sense why would a person attempt to have someone killed twice, but want them in your branch, and the only reason I would see is to start problems and mess with me.

That's fine! That's part of the Context! OOC'ly irrelevant, but gives a wider picture!

 

2 hours ago, DonaldJTrump said:

Whether you want to label it as pk hunting, or just straight revenge rp, it all falls down the same shoe.

Not really PK hunting or revenge RP...guess the latter would fit for a different person which is someone with grievance, but in this case it falls within the rules.

ImperialRP Rules
FearRP Rules

1. While under FearRP you are required to oblige by the commands of your captor. If you attempt to escape or pull out a weapon to fight back but are killed that would then display a disregard for your own safety. This is a calculated risk you took, or a denial to value your own life, which will result in your PK.

The other rules support it. There was reason to detain you, there was cause, there was no baiting. The Warning number is irrelevant when the context here shows you've acknowledged that you are being detained and under Gunpoint by multiple people. The rules go against people who try to get someone shot for banality.

(A.E, Person gets detained ,he was told to not look at the individual in question. He turns around to look at him and gets shot. "Bad PK")
In here it was
(Person is talked to. Then placed under Gunpoint with intent to detain. Person acknowledges during escape and decides to voice his acknowledment by (it won't be happening and consequently gets shot for not valuing his life.)

PK Guidelines
-Government PK Guidelines

1. Being killed while not abiding by Fear-RP [PK]

[DonaldJTrump]

I see your point, but if you see with what I originally posted, the fear rp guidelines go against shooting someone after only 1 warning, which I wasnt even given to stop, right directly before I was gunned down. 

[DonaldJTrump]

Fear RP also states to take context of the situation into count, not only was I not shot at a last resort, but also I could have easily interpreted it as kidnapping, due to the man there already attempted to get me killed before, and failed.

[Browniemeister]

When you had reached out to originally, I had clarified that obviously in the nature of our roleplay server that people can have a vendetta against you. Meaning also they will probably try to kill you. The PK-Hunting guideline means more so people interested purely in killing people rather then the roleplay involved behind it. Ex. A Generalmajor of the Feld requesting PK's on every grenadier that does not salute, or requesting PK's on NSB simply enforcing warrants. 

This appeal is mostly just filled with ruleplay then rather actual common sense, who in their right mind runs when being surrounded and having their arrest ordered? There was a lack of regard for your life which is of course fine most of the time but don't be surprised when you die for it. Additionally, I see members of the Interior in the Reichstag lobby so you were deliberately trying to run to them to hide behind them. You took a risk, you died.

What I am of course not a fan of is Saito immediately shooting after saying "okay don't move" however as I said before, you were running to your fellow Interior members. I don't see any lack of fail rp and nothing else is really off about this clip then the warning time that was given. I will wait for others in UA opinion on this, but a roleplay vendetta does not constitute PK hunting.

Please update your Steam ID to your steamID not SteamID 64: Ex. STEAM_X:X:XXXXXXX.

Thank you for appealing. 

[DonaldJTrump]

8 minutes ago, Browniemeister said:

When you had reached out to originally, I had clarified that obviously in the nature of our roleplay server that people can have a vendetta against you. Meaning also they will probably try to kill you. The PK-Hunting guideline means more so people interested purely in killing people rather then the roleplay involved behind it. Ex. A Generalmajor of the Feld requesting PK's on every grenadier that does not salute, or requesting PK's on NSB simply enforcing warrants. 

This appeal is mostly just filled with ruleplay then rather actual common sense, who in their right mind runs when being surrounded and having their arrest ordered? There was a lack of regard for your life which is of course fine most of the time but don't be surprised when you die for it. Additionally, I see members of the Interior in the Reichstag lobby so you were deliberately trying to run to them to hide behind them. You took a risk, you died.

What I am of course not a fan of is Saito immediately shooting after saying "okay don't move" however as I said before, you were running to your fellow Interior members. I don't see any lack of fail rp and nothing else is really off about this clip then the warning time that was given. I will wait for others in UA opinion on this, but a roleplay vendetta does not constitute PK hunting.

Please update your Steam ID to your steamID not SteamID 64: Ex. STEAM_X:X:XXXXXXX.

Thank you for appealing. 

I understand what your saying between a vandetta, and pk hunting, which I can respect completely, does that not consitute as revenge rp, which is what I thought wasnt allowed? Not only that, but I also feel that it wouldnt be ruleplay. You can see in the video, he jumped right to shooting me rather than other ways to detain or arrest me. When anyone in those situations end up attempting the same thing when not given direct orders. Through the entire alloted time, I was never given a direct order to stop, other than the one that was given right before I was shot. Someone ordering there men to detain me, dosent mean I have to oblige until I am ordered to stop, or to not move, which neither happened until milliseconds before I was gunned down.

[Goat]

I approved the PK on the basis of Fear RP due to the clip showed to me. Fear RP Clip

Following this, as I was partially involved in the roleplay leading to the situation, I asked for a second opinion from Lentz who also agreed that it was indeed a valid Fear RP PK. He left it up to me to make the final decision and with the information available, I authorised the PK.