Ben Klaust PK appeal

[bobsgandis]

Character's name & rank: Ben Klaust, Feldwebel
 

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX): STEAM_0:0:567785962
 

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Brownie
 

Explain why you were PK'd:

Brownie on his NSB character (Oberdienstoffizier Heinrich Morgenthau) got arrested/detained by the feld for breaking into the ICC in front of multiple people/generals. After he was being detained he was put into the BB cells and questioned and interrogated. He was also supposed to be “sent to the eastern front” as a punishment by General Der, however conveniently he had to leave in 10 minutes and stated so in LOOC, by states “Can you hurry this up i have to go to X at 5” so the general that was writing up the document that would “send him to the eastern front for 2 weeks” was unable to complete it before he had to leave. So the generals came to an agreement to let him go and punish the Oberdienstoffizier when he comes back/has time to get punished, therefore he was let go so he can leave and do whatever has to do at 5PM.

However the next day after the RP was paused/stopped and not punished the Oberdienstoffizier would take me away from a dossier that was occurring in the NSB cells and would inform that cause I beat him up and threatened to take him to the eastern front he will now take him to the eastern front. He later set my rank to Grenadier and took me to the train station and PKed me.
 

Why should you be un-PK'd?:

The Oberdienstoffizier used LOOC to get out of an IC punishment and later was let go due to it. LOOC text shouldn't have been the verdict or the decider if he was let go and not punished for it. Due to him using LOOC leading him to be let go the next day he would go after me and PK me.

The argument can be made that if I stated that I had an OOC issue and needed to go, would the punishment be waived ?
 

Additional Information: no evidence of the text, just pictures and reports of the incident.

Edited 23 hours ago by bobsgandis

[Vixx]

Hi there, I was present in no-clip for this situation. From reading this, it comes across that you are trying to accuse Brownie of manipulating the situation, where as he actually informed you he had to be on his SKK Character to be present for something which was more important, when you guys were attempting to drag the situation out as Brownie attempted to RP the train arriving. It is completely acceptable within our Rules & Guidelines to allow someone to leave a situation if they have other priorities or issues which need resolved, as the situation in question can be picked up at a later time as you have mentioned.

 

I personally do not see the substance behind this appeal, as you are unaware of what discussions/agreements the Oberdienstoffizier and the General Der came to after this situation you were present for and therefore cannot assume that his /looc comment was a verdict if he was let go or not punished. At the end of the day, the NSB are known for these 'unexpected' punishments and strategic planning, silencing of individuals which can cause further harm or threat. Brownie's IC Punishment was not waived, but more likely discussed when you were not present. How can you use that as substance for an appeal when you don't actually know what was agreed after he left?

Edited 11 hours ago by Vixx

[bobsgandis]

9 hours ago, Vixx said:

 it comes across that you are trying to accuse Brownie of manipulating the situation, where as he actually informed you he had to be on his SKK Character to be present for something which was more important, when you guys were attempting to drag the situation out as Brownie attempted to RP the train arriving. It is completely acceptable within our Rules & Guidelines to allow someone to leave a situation if they have other priorities or issues which need resolved, as the situation in question can be picked up at a later time as you have mentioned.

I don't see how I am "manipulating the situation" when I am stating what I saw and what happened to me. You even Acknowledged that he had to pause/stop the RP for another character, which therefore made the generals have a OOC discussion with the Oberdienstoffizier. I was with the Oberdienstoffizier in the cells for 95% of the time and never saw this "discussion" occur IC so must have happened OOC which I don't mind and I understand the current RP situation wasn't important. However after coming to this agreement in OOC (through discord probably) he was let go and I had a discussion with the General Der that he will return and be punished the next day when Available (this was said in a office with multiple people). Additionally I personally was not the dragging the incident as I was just making sure he gets punished for the clear violation he committed, however the General making the document didn't have enough time. 

9 hours ago, Vixx said:

I personally do not see the substance behind this appeal, as you are unaware of what discussions/agreements the Oberdienstoffizier and the General Der came to after this situation you were present for and therefore cannot assume that his /looc comment was a verdict if he was let go or not punished.

Its quite simple as if the Oberdienstoffizier never had to go and do his duties on another character it wouldn't have lead to my PK. The RP was paused yesterday out of respect and understanding for the situation. However to come back on the same character after pausing the RP, avoiding the punishment for clear incompetence and then punishing the person that held you or assisted in your punishment cause you never got punished. 

Again in clearly terms if the Oberdienstoffizier never had to go off his character he would be on the eastern front and I wouldn't be getting PKed as he wouldnt have seen me in NSB cells. 

9 hours ago, Vixx said:

At the end of the day, the NSB are known for these 'unexpected' punishments and strategic planning, silencing of individuals which can cause further harm or threat. Brownie's IC Punishment was not waived, but more likely discussed when you were not present. How can you use that as substance for an appeal when you don't actually know what was agreed after he left?

This section shows that you clearly didn't read or understand my argument as I am not complaining about the NSB PK but rather that the Oberdienstoffizier was let go due to OOC reasons that then allowed him to go unpunished and allowed him the opportunity to punish me when it was convenient for him.  As mentioned before the discussion which lead to his realise must have been in OOC as I was with the Oberdienstoffizier in the cells without seeing any IC form of discussion between the General Der and the Oberdienstoffizier. Again after he was realised again the generals came to an agreement that he will be getting punished when he comes back onto his character however he never came back or gotten a punishment which gave him the opportunity to PK me. 

Edited 1 hour ago by bobsgandis
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