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Fix minor mistake on the model sheet


w1ndStrik3

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Description of the idea: 

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TL;DR:
The Rank of Kommodore is equal to the ranks of Rittoffizier (KG) and NSB-Polizeikommandeur (NSB) [1].

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The problem is, that while the proper uniforms for the two aforementioned MOI ranks are part of their respective CO models, the proper uniform for a Kommodore is part of the Admiral model. On the model sheet [2], a Kommodore is listed in the CO section, as it should be, but the uniform for the Kommodore is mistakenly marked as being part of the CO model.
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So what exactly should be changed?
Literally just:
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Yes. It is that simple. have kommodore use the same caharacter model as the admirals. That is the entire fix. No new models, no updating the content packs. Just move a single cell border in the model sheet.

Explanation:
The proper model for a Kommodore in the navy would be the same model as the admirals use (models/prometheus/seaservice/admirals/admiralsea06.mdl). But because of how the models the server use are categorized, the proper uniform for a kommodore is not placed with the senior navy CO uniform, but with the admirals uniform (since the only difference between a Kommodore uniform and Kontreadmiral uniform is a single strip on the sleeves). 

On the model sheet, Kommodore is said to wear the senior CO uniform (models/prometheus/seaservice/seniorofficers/seniorofficersea06.mdl), but the uniform would not only be incorrect historically, since we use the uniforms and ranks of the "no-no german" navy, but also there would be an issue with the selection of ranks in the wardrobe. The senior CO uniform only has a selection of three ranks, but there are four different senior CO ranks in the navy, including Kommodore. As it stands now, the uniforms of Kapitän zur See and Kommodore are INDISTINGUISHABLE from each other. 

The Konteradmiral chooses rank 1 in the wardrobe. Rank 0 would be the one for the Kommodore, if we try to stay as close as possible to the reference.

Historical Documentation:

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On the image [3] here, we see a Kommodore, who distinctly has a single broad line on his sleeve.

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On this image [4], we see yet another Kommodore (Left, foreground), who has the single broad line on the sleeve. Note the double golden branches of the shade of the cap.

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On this rank table [5] it can clearly be seen that a Kommodore has a single broad line his sleeves.

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Here is a rank table [6], which shows both officer and admiral ranks. On it, it can clearly be seen that the four lines are for a Kapitän zur See, and not a Kommodore:
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Why should this be added?: 

The issue with Kommodores having to wear an improper uniform not only breaks immersion (not majorlyfor most, but especially for people in the navy, it is an annoyance), but also forces the navy to have to make changes to what a kommodore should wear to be able to distinguish a kommodore from a Kapitän zur See. We do have a proper uniform for a Kommodore, but it is just placed in the Admiral model, not the senior CO model. The navy shouldn't have to make unecessary changes to distinguish a Kommodore from a Kapitän zur See, when a perfectly good, and much better, option is right there.

Also, the fix is literally just moving a single cell border in the model sheet. THAT IS THE ENTIRE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM

What negatives could this have?: 

I do not see any negatives. By brainstorming a little, I would guess that a Kommodore could go in the wardrobe, and set his rank to a GO rank on the model, but that would be the same as if someone just went into the wardrobe and selected a rank higher than they are supposed to display. Yes, this could be slightly more serious when we are speaking about GO ranks, but when someone attains the rank of Kommodore, that person would seldom be a minge who would go around commiting stolen valor.

Additional information: 

[1] P-N Rank comparison table: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j-KVwHRUtBVcnIqfv_qXy66IgWADJrGvy0Yw-MoWgRw/

[2] Official P-N model sheet used by staff: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yqEq-mnfIIQPa2x58bHb1eEpvUueZWM31v8sCXGWKP0/

[3] Picture of Kommodore F. Ruge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kommodore

[4] Picture of Kommodore Karl Dönitz: https://www.militaer-wissen.de/ranks-of-the-german-war-navy-kriegsmarine-until-1945/?lang=en

[5] Admiralty rank table: same URL as [4]

[6] Rank table of admirals and line officers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_and_insignia_of_the_Kriegsmarine#Flag_officer_ranks

Edited by w1ndStrik3
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This guy does his research

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A Quick and totally fair fix i guess. Also makes sense even more as of nowadays. The Kommodore rank is often compared to a Rear Admiral Lower Half. in substance we can say that even being a Senior CO the Kommodore is much more similiar to an Admiral than to an actual Senior CO

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, w1ndStrik3 said:

+1 we love the navy 

 

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Makes sense, kommodores have always worn the Admirals uniform, not sure why now all of a sudden its changed.

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literally the most reasonable request ever. no reason this shouldn’t be fixed lol

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Makes sense to me, don’t see any negatives either.

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+1 The model sheet should be fixed, the rank equivalent should stay the same though because anyone with the rank of commodore would have to be demoted due to the 1 general slot limitation for the Navy.

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No. While it may have been the way it worked in the real world, Kommodores are not considered GOs here, and should not be using any GO insignia because of this.

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