Enclive's Ban Appeal

[TheOblivionist]

Your Name: TheOblivionist

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX): STEAM_0:0:232863657

Appeal Type (Apology or Dispute):  Dispute

Which staff member banned you?: R4ged

How long is your ban for?: 6 days

Why were you banned?: "RDM / Revenge RDM / Lying to Staff / PO's". A minge was being retarded calling everyone "Nazis" and punch minging and I decided to try and shoot at the minge civi. Instead, 4 of my shots landed on an innocent Kommissaranwarter that happened to be on the road. I stopped for a bit because obviously I kinda made an oopsie shooting my own guy down by accident and by the time I re-adjusted my camera to gun the civi down he had managed to bhop his way out of there. I was then accused, with the clip not even showing myself shooting at him deliberately, for doing just that. 

Why do you deserve to be unbanned?: I think it was a very unjust ban. At most, I should've just gotten an "RDM" note for being a bad marksman, but being accused of lying despite me giving my side of the story and the clip not even showing the civi that I was shooting at is just crazy (his camera wasn't panned to the station, where I was at). I felt like the staff member was siding with the Kommissaranwarter and being biased despite the lack of evidence. I even apologized to the kommissaranwarter and offered to pay up for my own errors. I'm also not very fluent in English, and that probably didn't help my case as I mislabeled a couple of terms that made my story sound more unbelievable. I think this ban should be reviewed, and the decision should be toned down to at least a note, at best, as being a bad marksman is simply just human error. Also note that at the time the military irp were doing "readiness drills" at the time and there was a lot of chaos in the city, and there were more civi minges than usual acting stupid.

Additional Information: Him adding PO's from like 4 months ago felt really sour, as well as him including both RDM and Revenge RDM as a reason. I felt like the staff member was just trying to find a reason to ban me for whatever reason and decided to stack my offenses up. I've never revenge RDM'd and I had worse things done to me than that, so I don't know why I would deliberately break NLR and shoot him again. Maybe I'm just overthinking it, I don't know what actually went on in the staff member's mind. 

[R4ged]

Hello, The reason I banned you wasn't because of the Kommissaranwärter. I banned you because he supplied me with 2 videos, Video one showing you being shot by the Kommissaranwärter, and Video two is of him looking into the crowd by the fountain. As I was looking over this video on the 2nd one I brought you to the sit and you said to me "The Kommissaranwärter was behind the civilian." But once the Kommissaranwärter Dropped dead, you stopped shooting. You also said the Civilian was moving around in circles and after some argument you then said the civilian was B Hopping. Even if you killed the Civilian, which I would say would be quite impossible as you fired 4 rounds at the Kommissaranwarter and nothing more. You never even mentioned you stopped to think about what you did after you shot the Kommissaranwarter. When you were explaining your story you never told me half the things you mentioned on this Appeal, You also were laughing behind the microphone. It was clearly heard by me and the Kommissaranwärter. So after some consideration I banned you for 6 days because video one that was supplied to me was showing the Kommissaranwarter shooting you. You then noticed the same person who shot you on the street and were thinking to shoot him possibly thinking nothing bad would happen.

3 hours ago, TheOblivionist said:

A minge was being retarded calling everyone "Nazis" and punch minging and I decided to try and shoot at the minge civi

And in this section you should have made a ticket instead of taking it into your own hands. Instead you decided to shoot the Civilian while not maintaining Trigger discipline, you didn't even watch for your comrade behind the Civilian, you never tried moving.

3 hours ago, TheOblivionist said:

Him adding PO's from like 4 months ago felt really sour

All Past offences matter in every ticket. Even if it was 1 years ago the problem would still matter.

I get it on how talking in a language you don't know is very difficult, but chat also exists. Since this appeal shows you can type you could have used it when you were explaining your side of the story. I understand that you feel this is unjust but all evidence pointed to the obvious.

 

The Evidence in point:

Video 1: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/jfErb0NXvjhhHnu5e?invite=cr-MSxyazksMTU3MzA0NTE3LA

Video 2: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/jfEMVSDZ2JZMVC1_9?invite=cr-MSx1N00sMTU3MzA0NTE3LA

If you still feel its unjust UA can decrease the ban to 3 or 2 days.

 

Have yourself a wonderful day.

[TheOblivionist]

Thank you for replying. I will debunk some of the arguments you have made.

 

Firstly, I thought it was well established where the civi had actually been. I have said this twice that when I said "behind" I said the Civi was on the road infront of the station while the lapo kommissaranwarter was on the sidewalk. Granted, there could've been miscommunication because again, I'm not very fluent in English and I sometimes use the wrong terminology. 

 

I don't recall the circles thing. I did say he was bhopping and that he was moving in very irregular patterns. Might've been miscommunication as I said but i do recall mentioning the civi bhopping and whatnot.

 

I also don't recall "laughing" unless I did sound like I was laughing, which is possible although 1. unintentionally and 2. anyone who has rp'd with me knows that I have a speech impediment and that I don't handle pressure very well. It's not a guilt thing either, some people kind of break when theyre under pressure. I definitely felt panicky given the fact that you were antagonising me from the beginning despite the obvious lack of substantial evidence other than a clip of me getting shot by him prior and him dying 30 minutes later. As I said, it felt quite biased and you treated me like as if i was a minge instead of a roleplayer. I also mentioned the core details, granted I kept having to reaffirm them because you and the other guy kept questioning me about those same core details so I was unable to establish the full story. 

 

As for the minge thing, I admit I could've went and arrested him. I do admit that I definitely shouldn't have just lit him up. I will take blame for my handling of that particular situation. 

 

I'm not vindictive and I've never revenge RDM'd someone over shooting me thirty minutes ago in a separate situation. I've had worse done to me but I didn't proceed and break NLR just to light them up for no reason. I felt like your judgement was based solely of a "he said she said" stance and out of pure speculation. Granted, the situation does look bad on me considering the circumstances that happened prior. 

 

I'm not saying you acted purely out of malicious intent but it definitely felt like you took sides from before I even explained my side of the story. Never have I done something as petty as this on prometheus and never have I lied to a staff member in my almost 2 years of playing on this server. The ban reason itself felt off aswell for the same reasons I explained in the ban appeal. I apologise for being a horrible marksman and I'm happy to have the ban lowered to just a note for RDM at most since I should've been more careful. Overall, this felt like an interrogation more than a staff sit and I understandably felt uncomfortable. I even offered to pay the kommissaranwarter for whatever equipment he ended up losing as a result of his death. What is the point of a staff sit when me trying to defend myself and explain the situation is considered "lying" despite any clear evidence contradicting my story? Overall, I made errors but it was a very scuffy sit and I definitely think things could've gone much smoother if you acted more impartial and made decisions based on clear evidence rather than "he said she said".

[R4ged]

I see, apology's if you felt panicky. If you asked for a time out so you could catch your head I would have let you. But as for the ban you can watch it from the 2nd clip, once the Kommissaranwarter dropped you stopped shooting which in my eyes seemed like the 1st clip was from the intent of that, since he shot you and that your weapon was raised for about 3 seconds before shooting the Kommissaranwarter. I along with the "Laughing," you weren't necessarily laughing but it was heard in your voice when you were talking, and to me and the Kommissaranwarter it sounded like you were giggling for a bit and was holding down when you were talking. And from what you said,

6 hours ago, TheOblivionist said:

some people kind of break when theyre under pressure. I definitely felt panicky

If from that point you were feeling panicky was possibly the trembling from ones voice. Apology's if I made you like that.

 

But from the signs of the sit, I try not to take sides even if the evidence was all pointed to yes. I now understand that your story is much more then just Revenge RDM, even if the clip 1 was 45 minutes instead of 30 the timing wouldn't matter. All acts that are committed can be used as evidence so from the him shooting you to you shooting him, I felt it necessary to ban you for 6 days since from your explanation was rather poorly said. If the clip of him shooting you wasn't provided this act wouldn't have possibly made it to a ban. But I now see that a ban for 6 days is a little unnecessary but from the evidence I provided it can still show you being shot and then you shooting him. This is shown in his logs, the clip, and your logs. I will see about lowering your ban to now 1 day since 2 day ban would have been liked more then 6 days. I understand that from what you say is saying you didn't try to shoot him, but words are words. If you have clips that can prove ones innocence's say a clip of that Civilian, or you standing for a minute and readjusting.

 

Feel free to respond again, I'll see about lowering it to at least 1 day from now.

Have a good rest of your day.

[TheOblivionist]

Hello again.

First off, while yes, I could've asked for a "time out", the conditions which I was put in, especially given how "aggressive" you were when it came to asking me questions, made me panicky. People handle panic in different kinds of ways; sometimes they're not in the proper state of mind to take the appropriate steps to gain bearing and allow themselves to "catch their head". I felt like if you had acted more impartial and allowed for both sides to properly explain their side of the story instead of barraging me with questions and concluding that, roughly but not quoting you "you're lying to a staff member and won't admit", I would've felt comfortable and more clear-minded to where I would be able to properly convey my side of the story in full detail and get it resolved. It would take a person three seconds logically to pull their MP40 out and adjust their mouse to aim at the civvy before firing, I don't pull the MP40 out and immediately start firing because A) that's stupid B) I waste bullets and C) a stray bullet would've also hit any nearby bystanders and I would've likely been in the sit room for roughly the same reason. Unfortunately I wasn't able to clip the incident particularly because at the time I didn't think it was going to matter. Usually when someone gets accidentally RDM'd and takes it to a sit the situation gets resolved in the sit room and nothing comes out of it, both sides come to an understanding, the guy who killed him apologizes and that's that. Unfortunately, because, again, you were particularly focused on me and not acting fully impartial, I was unable to explain the full story and the kommissaranwarter was still in the assumption that I was lying and that I killed him because of what he did to me 30 minutes prior. 

I have since spoken to the kommissaranwarter in a 1 on 1 setting on Discord and we came to a resolution and he understands that though the circumstances were very fishy that I had no ill intent and it was simply just a really bad coincedence.  Again, I don't think anyone acted out of malicious intent, rather a lack of communication and jumping to conclusions way too quick. I definitely could've avoided the situation by simply just arresting the civilian, however I also feel like the situation could've been resolved in the sit room with both sides coming to an understanding. I feel like a ban wasn't appropriate, and hope that should UA accept this ban appeal to either revoke the ban in its entirety or reduce my ban time and change the reasoning of the ban to just "RDM".

I think I've definitely learnt from the mistakes I have made and will be more careful in regards to trigger discipline and to clip situations like this in the future so I can avoid situations like these again.

[Cravfe]

These clips very much point against you. When looking at the second one i don't hear any player saying "nazi" i don't hear any punches i don't hear anyone walking. Just seems like a guy getting shot cuz the other person was mad they were shot. This could have easily been resolved over a simple apology and admitting wrongdoings. As for this, your ban will be lifted since you don't have many pos and they are old but it will stay on record. 
Accepted.