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Character's name & rank: Major Franz Wiesling Commander of the 2.Panzerjäger Regiment SteamID 76561198317720680 Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Senior Moderator Elite Explain why you were PK'd: I was PKd in a firefight between the Army and MOI/NSB/LAPO factions at a checkpoint. During the engagement i was taking cover in a bush with very limited visibility while returning fire. I could hear my teammates over the radio and believed friendly forces were nearby still. During the fight someone suddenly jumped directly onto my position. At that moment I could not see clearly due to the vision in the bush, but when he landed beside me, I briefly saw his description tag and realized he was an enemy. I instinctively stood up and opened fire, but I was immediately killed by multiple enemies surrounding the area. The staff later reviewed a clip of the incident and ruled that my actions fell under, (Committing PKs that will obviously result in the death of the aggressor.) Why should you be un-PK'd?: The entire event happened really fast, leaving almost no time to assess the situation properly. My reaction was not a conscious attempt to break FearRP or act suicidally, it was an immediate reflex once I recognized an enemy directly beside me in an active firefight. The cited PK rule applies to deliberate, suicidal actions for example, knowingly running into a room full of armed guards. In my case, I did not knowingly enter a fatal situation or attempt to “trade lives.” I was already under fire, in cover, and reacted instinctively when an enemy suddenly appeared within arm’s reach. My decision to return fire was based on immediate threat recognition, not disregard for RP realism. I fully understand and respect the server’s roleplay and FearRP standards. However, I believe this situation was the result of combat confusion and limited visibility rather than a clear rule violation. Considering the short timeframe lack of intent and realism of my reaction I kindly ask for reconsideration of the PK and for it to be reduced to an NLR or voided as an accidental misunderstanding. Additional Information: No staff were present during the incident; the decision was based on video evidence. I still opened fire from the bush time frame: 0:05-0:08 The clip shows the opposing player jumping onto my position first. Visibility in the bush was extremely limited: I could only identify him once I saw his tag beside me. I have a clean record and always aim to roleplay seriously and respectfully. Thank you for taking the time to review this appeal. I fully respect the staff team’s decision making and will make sure to take extra caution in future combat situations to avoid similar misunderstandings.

Denied. You made the decision to run away from a group of armed individuals--one of which had you at gunpoint, resulting in you being shot. One could argue that running away is valuing your life, at a certain distance, however the distance shown in this video is close enough for me to determine that the act of running away was not likely to end in your safety.

He had ended warning a person when I said "We will follow the rules to the letter" in a sarcastic voice.

What was the joke that resulted in your ban?

Denied. It is my understanding and belief that Jezza made a veiled threat and, in an attempt to sabotage him, you repeated this quote when higher ranking officials entered the room. The kicker, however, is you stating that you're going to "remember" the statement made after trying to use that very statement against him.

The staff member who issued the PK has been notified of this appeal and will respond shortly.

Denied. Lacking the chance to not get restrained isn't a factor in PK appeals, unless the inability to avoid detainment was a result of prop blocking or some other rule violation. Here, no rule was violated in regards to your limitation in movement. This is a valid concern with PK appeals. In this situation in particular, there seems to be sufficient RP for a PK to be conducted. The roleplay may have not been the best, though not every seen is perfect, including back-and-forth dialogue for a specific amount of time, a viable chance for escape, etc., but is, nonetheless, sufficient for a PK to occur. An example of a PK scene lacking RP would be one with little-to-no interaction, such as sniping (which require UA approval and only occur under extraordinary circumstances).

Hello, I am the staff that issued your PK. Let me start by explaining my reasoning on why I PKed you. As you were walking past the RS which you past the KG you were saying words that you were speaking disrepectful to the KG general and so they decided to stop and talk to you but you decided to keep walking and not talk, you then started running as you were told "do not move" by a member of the KG, which then lead to your PK as you failed to follow FearRP rule #1 which is "While under FearRP you are required to oblige by the commands of your captor. If you attempt to escape or pull out a weapon to fight back but are killed that would then display a disregard for your own safety." Following this rule this is why you were PKed. Video in evidence: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/lrw5cOXgLWtijaUis?invite=cr-MSxRUEIsMjI5NzA5NjM&v=60

The staff member who issued the PK has been notified of this appeal and will respond shortly.

Yeah I had no chance of not getting tied I had people all around me and I could not move even when I tried too, and there was lack of roleplay.

Denied. Starting a gunfight and dying is a valid PK criteria. There can be staff discretion when and how this should be apply, but we've consistently held that this PK guideline applies during serious RP situations, especially when NHC members become victim of the gunfight. The dispute of whether you were being restrained or not is irrelevant. You'd be PK'd regardless for starting a gunfight and being killed during a serious RP situation.

Just to be clear, your only two arguments are: 1. PK is invalid because you had no chance of not getting restrained, and 2. Lack of roleplay I'll address both, but would like to make this clear before I do so. Thank you

Again, logs show no attempted to tie anyone. Even if it was just firing in self defense it still equals a pk, it doesnt matter how fast things might escalate, its pretty easy to not just start rdming. I havent been provided one piece of information that would call for a overturn of the pk.

This is just blatantly wrong. There was plenty of time to handle it differently, the Major was detained for over like 5 minutes in that entire argument, there was zero reason for anyone to open fire at that point.

I was there during the hotel situation. Me and another guard were in the back room guarding the FM when the Prefect and the KG came in and tried to detain one of us. The guard fired in self-defense. He only reacted because he felt threatened, not because he was trying to start anything. Everything escalated super fast, and there honestly wasn’t enough time for proper RP or even clear communication before shots were fired. From my point of view, I think the PK should be looked at again — the guard was just defending himself, not being aggressive or causing trouble.

So you also witnessed and heard me attempting to get tied correct?

Fair enough thank you for your response

Massive -1, you literally shot a General of the opposing faction, on no orders, because you were getting "tied". That is not a excuse to shoot a General whatsoever, if it was a enlisted you might have a chance but this is truly well deserved and in my eyes, I would've gave you a note for RDM!

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Give it a rest. It says in logs anytime anyone attempts to tie you, not once did this happen.

I would not lie on a appeal. Once again I swear I got tied it popped up on my screen got half way saying “You are being tied” in which I backed up and opened fire. Once again thank you for assuming and trying to push for another extreme. I do not lie when it comes to something like this. Sadly with me being on a steamdeck I wasn’t able to get a clip from my pov. Once again I did not lie about getting tied.

So I just checked logs, and at no point did anyone try to tie you, meaning you just lied about your whole argument, your whole argument was based they tried to tie you so you shot back, but they didnt even do that. This also makes it MRDM seeing as no one tried to tie you, you just opened gunfire on the prefect along with the rest of the KG, which is incredibly uncalled for, yall are arguing, prefect walks in room, you gun him down, and attempt to gun the kg down. So for you to MRDM the prefect and kg, in a situation in which no way justified that, then make a appeal when you get pked and say you didnt know and that the pk should be voided because of the work youve done on your character, shows a lot. Mate its not hard to tell what someone might be thinking in that situation, Is that your argument to getting unpked? You MRDMED the kg, lied to get unpked when you were lucky enough to not be banned, then explained how because your character is valuable it should be unturned. Such a silly argument, maybe control your emotions mate + no one tied you up. Your whole argument is based around a lie to get out of a pk when you even got lucky to not be banned, yet you pushed it and now got caught for mrdm

Ah well thank you for assuming what must have gone through my head. Haven’t ever talked to me before so whatever you may think I was thinking it would be greatly appreciated if as a staff member you stopped making such bold assumptions of what I was thinking. I respect your stance on it but be more civil. No need for the name calling not once have I disrespected you. So thank you again for the responses. But no need for calling me stupid, a prick, selfish or assume I was attempting to get out of any situation. I acted impulsively seeing it as an act of aggression attemping to tie me up . Yes I should’ve thought about the being outnumbered I absolutely agree but once again no need to stoop low and try to insult me. Thank you again

Mate, you knew the situation you were in, you know what was going on, and you know you getting tied which by the way rewatching the clip I don’t hear nor does the prefect even look at you for a second before you mow him down, it looks like he just glances at you, but even if he tried to tie you, it’s the prefect, a crown member, who is surrounded by tons of kg, and again I’ve never said it was rdm, but it’s about the stupidest thing you could’ve done there and again you doing that was some stupid selfish bs that you did thinking it wasn’t a get out of jail free card. It doesn’t matter if you thought the pk rules over, maybe idk you would’ve had time to if you didn’t just mow him down out of nowhere? I’m confused what you thought was going to happen. You are getting a perma pk dude. This quote from you makes me think you didn’t even read my response, if you had such a big thing going in the guard unit, you should’ve been careful with that character, not now down a crown member for supposedly tying you up which I cant even hear in the clip, no sound effect, it could of also been anyone else looking near you. Regardless if it was him who tried to you, you decided you want out of that situation and said screw everyone else who was rping you realized it wouldn’t be rdm, and assumed because of that you should just gum him down, just because it’s not against the rules, doesn’t mean you won’t get effected ic

I absolutely understand where you are coming with that. Though respectfully saying I never try to PK someone. Yes I understand its in the rules. But as I mentioned I get its wrong and shouldn’t of been done. I acted definitely on the defensive side and went to the extreme cause I was being tied up without knowing why or talked to. I didn’t think of the PK rules what so ever, all honesty forgot that PK over a gunfight was a thing. I do still hope to get it to a perma pk so I can still keep working on the guard unit and getting them to where they need to be. Thank you for your feedback and have a wonderful day.