Wayne Kerr PK Appeal

[PhoenixAuron]

Character's name & rank: Wayne Kerr, Hauptmann

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX): STEAM_0:0:119674273

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Coffee

Explain why you were PK'd: Dirt PK as explained to me

Why should you be un-PK'd?: I should be un-PKed due to the fact that the "Dirt" was never used by me nor was I actually involved in any way. I was informed that a case file was randomly made with my name on it as a "Agent" and Witness Statements with my name on it despite me actually just having no clue about these documents. I never used the documents in any way to PK anyone. When I asked UA to show me the case file I was apparently involved with they refused, if I could see the case file I could actually see if I was involved. I have actually have made 0 Case Files, been involved with 0 case files, etc. Apparently some of "my" witness statements were apparently used in the case file, but according to Coffee (At the beginning of our chat at least) stated that the case file was ignored and dropped not leading to any Arrest, Execution, consequence, etc which if is true wouldn't be dirt since dirt must lead to one of those things. Then Coffee said (Towards the end of our chat, in difference to his earlier statement) that the case file was used to PK someone despite again, me still not knowing what this case file is, what witness statements, anything about it. This all happened roughly 4-5 weeks ago so I'm quite unsure of what is being mentioned since I usually handed the making of witness statements to others (so not sure how I made any related to the Polizeipresident if I don't make many or any).

 

I legitimately just this is just a case of someone putting my name on a document I was uninvolved with, never signed, etc and I'm being PKed for it. Though Coffee did keep saying "your name is on the document" whether that means just written there vs actually me signing my name onto the document, I'm not sure. I never signed any case files, witness statements, etc regarding the Polizeipresident. So if this could be thoroughly looked into and dealt with appropriately, it would be great. Any witness statements I was actually involved with, I was either ordered by the Generaloberst, Generalmajor, Oberst, or Feld Major to make witness statements which makes it a rough situtation to ignore the order and making witness statements is a Legal Duty of the Feld (Which again should make this not PK-able considering from what I know the information wasn't/can't be used to give consequence/punishment to someone (thus not dirt), and was only doing legal duties of a Feldjager (which is something that according to guidelines isn't pk-able)) 

 

TLDR: Casefile with my name was considered dirt (Information wasn't used to lead to PK, Arrest, etc and was actually just ignored, so assumably not dirt to my knowledge), I had no involvement with the casefile, witness statement, etc and have no clue what it is. Casefile was never shown to confirm whether or not I was involved. Incident happened 4-5 weeks ago so Im definitely just generally unclear about what this situation is.

Additional Information: Im not sure if this is prevalent but I did have a staff member threaten me that UA was watching my character and would have it PKed eventually for whatever possible (Which I have had characters PKed for random things in the past) so not sure if it is one of those cases. Previously mentioned staff member was also commonly abusing powers though so it may be coincidence. 

Edited March 20 by PhoenixAuron

[Coffee]

Hello, I was the staff member who approved your PK.

The reasoning for your PK was because you were listed as one of the two lead investigators who were leading a case file that was presented to the federal council.

This case file was used in an attempt to remove the Police President from his position.

Given that the NSB and Interior Minister reviewed the case as it was presented to them in the federal council, they had clear evidence of your direct involvement in the investigation.

So due to this the NSB decided that they wanted to murder you for your role in this case.

Additionally, your PK was requested by the Interior Minister which also makes this a NHC PK.

This then makes you fall under two different PK guidelines in the Government PK Criteria.

2. On the orders of Feldmarschall, Innenminister, Prime Minister, Konsul, President, Prinzregent, Kaiser [PK]

6. Being murdered for attempting to use/actively using dirt on another individual [PK]

Now I'll address some of the points that you have made on your appeal.

Firstly you are not entitled to see the case file which led to your PK approval. I explained this in the staff sit yet you started jumping to the conclusion that I was "hiding the case file" from you and that I was "bias" towards you when I have had very minimal interaction with you on the server and don't really know who you are.

As I've stated in previous PK appeals, Only the UA staff member reviewing your appeal will have access to the case file.

Also whether or not the case file resulted in an arrest, execution or any consequnces for the Police President is irrelevant. The key factor is that you were listed as one of the two lead investigators, which you made you a target for the NSB and they wanted to murder you as you were listed as one of the two lead investigators.

[PhoenixAuron]

2 hours ago, Coffee said:

Hello, I was the staff member who approved your PK.

The reasoning for your PK was because you were listed as one of the two lead investigators who were leading a case file that was presented to the federal council.

This case file was used in an attempt to remove the Police President from his position.

Given that the NSB and Interior Minister reviewed the case as it was presented to them in the federal council, they had clear evidence of your direct involvement in the investigation.

So due to this the NSB decided that they wanted to murder you for your role in this case.

Additionally, your PK was requested by the Interior Minister which also makes this a NHC PK.

This then makes you fall under two different PK guidelines in the Government PK Criteria.

2. On the orders of Feldmarschall, Innenminister, Prime Minister, Konsul, President, Prinzregent, Kaiser [PK]

6. Being murdered for attempting to use/actively using dirt on another individual [PK]

Now I'll address some of the points that you have made on your appeal.

Firstly you are not entitled to see the case file which led to your PK approval. I explained this in the staff sit yet you started jumping to the conclusion that I was "hiding the case file" from you and that I was "bias" towards you when I have had very minimal interaction with you on the server and don't really know who you are.

As I've stated in previous PK appeals, Only the UA staff member reviewing your appeal will have access to the case file.

Also whether or not the case file resulted in an arrest, execution or any consequnces for the Police President is irrelevant. The key factor is that you were listed as one of the two lead investigators, which you made you a target for the NSB and they wanted to murder you as you were listed as one of the two lead investigators.

"Clear Evidence" its a document with my unsigned name on it? That's not direct evidence.

"On the orders of Feldmarchall, Innenminister, Prime Minister, Konsul, President, Prinzregent, Kaiser" Thats news to me that any of them ordered it (you did not mention it once)

When I asked if my name had been signed on any of the documents you immediately stuttered, changed topics, and ignored my question, you then proceeded to say "I can't show you the case file" and hid it which makes me believe there is a safe bet that my name isn't actually on there anywhere but written. Also I didn't "jump to any conclusions" you got hostile after YOU interrupted me then got mad claiming I was interrupting you, then you gave no actually valid reason to not present the case file other than "you're not entitled to it" despite it resulting in the PK of a character that I've spent much time on.  I also apparently was "involved" with the case file, so the entire situation could've been avoided if I could see and confirm whether or not I was actually involved with the case. Instead you spent no time to actually look into my claims of not being involved and people lying to have me PKed (which by the way, is against the rules).

Case File resulting or able to result in punishment is dirt, if the case file was discarded and unused, it couldn't lead to either and therefore isn't dirt. "Listed as one of the two lead investigators" I never lead any investigations, therefore someone lied to have me PKed. 

If you are unaware of the official definition of dirt according to the pk guidelines here you go (I don't know why I have to tell a Staff member the rules)

"Dirt is any information that can lead to arrest/execution."

"Dirt is NOT information that is public knowledge, not illegal, or information that wouldn't lead to consequences/punishment."

The information contained without the case file, according to your own words (at the beginning of our chat), did not lead to any punishment, consequence, or otherwise effect the persons roleplay.  (Again I wasn't even involved with any case files, but that's whatever at this point).

The only REAL involvement I may have had in it was the creation of a witness statement, which falls under "Legal duties" of a Feldjager and I would've been ordered to make one. So again not PK'able. 

[Prime]

Denied.

13 hours ago, PhoenixAuron said:

(I don't know why I have to tell a Staff member the rules)

You are wrong in the case of dirt, it was given out in the Federal Council meeting that yourself and another agent were gathering information on what the Interior has illegally been doing. That is dirt. 

Thank you for taking the time to appeal