Konstantin Kohlberg PK Appeal

[Umami 自殺]

Character's name & rank: Leutnant Konstantin Kohlberg

SteamID STEAM_0:0:20345479

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Meem/Brownpug

Explain why you were PK'd: I was PK'd for initiating a gunfight against the Gendarmerie.

Why should you be un-PK'd?: I should be un-PK'd because in the context of the situation, the person that actually shot me was not a member of the Gendarmerie. He was an ally and I was under the assumption he was on my side when he entered the room before he shot me. I did not open fire at him, and assumed he entered the room to assist. Only a member of the Gendarmerie should have been able to kill me, instead I was killed from a member of the same faction as me.
Edit: You can clearly see, as the Leutnant who is supposed to be on my side enters the room, he was unarmed and I was under the assumption he was on my side. So I turned away from him and he pulled out his gun and shot me. Additionally, I won the initial gunfight. The person that entered the room was an ally and a member of the Feld, not the Gendarmerie.

Edit #2: After further review of all clips provided, you can clearly see I won the gunfight by eliminating all 3 of the Gendarmerie. The only person that shot me were my allies that I requested for backup. Therefore I do not believe this PK to be valid.

Additional Information: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/jVDjoeGN3_PAVq1mp?invite=cr-MSw5OEIsMTk0MDQ5NDIw

Edited March 21 by Umami 自殺

[Brownpug]

Hello, I approved this PK because, based on the provided clips, you initiated a gunfight against the Gendarmerie and ultimately lost. The PK was warranted due to you starting the gunfight and losing it. Your argument about who specifically shot you does not change the fact that you willingly started the fight and were killed.

[Napoleon Bonaparte]

Watching this clip, I would concur that this should not be a pk for server reasons. First, you could argue the Gendarmerie started the gun fight since they were in the military base and confronted him. After which they threatened detainment and the enlisted Gendarmerie raised his gun. In response he shot first defending himself of clear potential harm that was clear in the present situation. Second they did not clearly state that they were going to arrest him. They made strong suggestions of such action but did not fully commit to attempting to first tie him or tell him fully that he WILL be arrested. Third, The person who killed him did not seem like he was a part of the initial gun fight so he may have won the initial gun fight but then got killed later in the confusion. Those are my reasons for why you could consider appealing this pk. I am simply stating my opinion and experience from about 4 years of playing on the server. May any admin take my view point into consideration when seeing this appeal, and thank you for reading this.

[Gator]

I was the one at the front door, you had a member of the NSB detained, and you stated that you detained him. I told you to "move" so I could speak with the NSB, and you didn't. Instead, after I wanted you detained to move out of the way you raised a gun at me and wanted to counter detain me, to which your men didn't respond. My men raised a gun in return to which you opened fire, and everyone saw me run to cover. You killed 2/3 people, then the armed forces and the remaining gendarmerie killed you.  

The argumentation of they are supposed to be on your side is dumb and not how roleplay works. Clearly, they didn't agree with you considering the "holy shit" comment came from another member of the Feld.

"Holy Shit" translating to "You are dumb for raising a gun out of nowhere to a member of Command". 

I had full willingness to allow you to trial him, but you chose violence, and your own men killed you because you wanted to have a last stand over an NCO. 

 

Edited March 21 by Gator

[Umami 自殺]

The "Remaining Gendarmerie" did not kill me. It was a member of the Feld that entered the room after my call to assist and he pulls out his gun and shoots me. A member of the initial faction I initiated the gunfight with did not land the killing blow.

[Gator]

3 hours ago, Umami 自殺 said:

The "Remaining Gendarmerie" did not kill me. It was a member of the Feld that entered the room after my call to assist and he pulls out his gun and shoots me. A member of the initial faction I initiated the gunfight with did not land the killing blow.

It's you died while initiating a gunfight, not died to another faction in a gunfight. You died and the gendarmerie wasn't dead, who you started a gunfight with wasn't dead.

[Coffee]

Denied.

From looking at both perspectives of this situation, its clear that you were the one who shot first here.

Therefore you initiated the gun fight. As a result of starting the shootout, you were also killed in the exchange.

In this situation you fell under Government PK Criteria #7: "Dying after initating a shootout".