Removal of Weight from Identification & Player Creation

[Virwëtztut]

The Removal of Weight from Identification & Player Creation

Reasons of Removal:

1. IDs are not full medical charts.

Identity cards whether they be passports, drivers' licenses, or military IDs do not hold information like weight solely because it is one of the thing in someone's appearance that is bound to fluctuation.

2. Provides easy targeting.

Players often use ID weight to make snap judgments about the body, even when roleplay doesn't support it.

It becomes a sort of "stat check" rather than RP conversation. Even if your description says you are of a different weight. (Your papers say 50 pounds, but you have 126 pounds in your description.)

3. Confusion to new players.

There have been plenty of times where new players have been turned away from factions due to a weight that they might've not seen or forgotten to change.

It becomes a bit of a hassle to have a recruit go make a new character and come back if their weight is not substantial.

This may also deter certain people from wanting to participate in the Roleplay.

Benefits of Removal:

- Makes an ID cleaner and more realistic.
- Encourages descriptive RP rather than stats being numbers in desc.
- Reduces using someone's description that would be invisible outside of physical presence.
- Less Friction for New Players not understanding the questions being asked or their importance.
- Allows for a question to replace it, such as: Date of Birth/Place of Birth.

Possible Rebuttals:

1. "It adds realism."
As I have stated before: Most identification cards regardless of country do not include weight because it changes so often. RP immersion is better served by letting characters on their own.

2. "It helps identify better."
Policing agencies can already rely on height, physical descriptions, or player model. Weight on an ID is unreliable for these scenarios.

3. "It's harmless flavor."
If it were truly harmless, then it wouldn't be an arrestable offense.

 

Additional Information:

Potentially, we could change weight entirely to a field/drop down question like:

"What build do you have?"
- Stocky

- Slim

- Broad

[Shoots]

1 minute ago, Virwëtztut said:

Identity cards whether they be passports, drivers' licenses, or military IDs do not hold information like weight solely because it is one of the thing in someone's appearance that is bound to fluctuation.

IDs actually do carry physical information. One of the key points to identifying people. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Virwëtztut said:

Provides easy targeting.

Minges typically put un-realistic weight. It's not on the person to judge someone different if they fill into a very common stereotype.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Virwëtztut said:

Confusion to new players

I think if people can't figure out a scroll wheel mechanic in their character creation they will have a much harder time past that point in this type of roleplay... 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Virwëtztut said:

- Makes an ID cleaner and more realistic.
- Encourages descriptive RP rather than stats being numbers in desc.
- Reduces using someone's description that would be invisible outside of physical presence.
- Less Friction for New Players not understanding the questions being asked or their importance.
- Allows for a question to replace it, such as: Date of Birth/Place of Birth.

IDs shouldn't be for aesthetic, and they are pretty realistic. 
People can still have descriptive... Descriptions..  having in tune IDs shouldn't stop anyone from doing that!
All descriptions are in character. No matter what they are describing. 
Again people won't survive on this server if they can't grasp the concept of setting a weight and height. 
People shouldn't just be able to change where they are from on a whim... LOL

 

 

8 minutes ago, Virwëtztut said:

s I have stated before: Most identification cards regardless of country do not include weight because it changes so often.

Mine does 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Virwëtztut said:

Policing agencies can already rely on height

Now how will they rely on height if somebody doesn't include it in their description

 

 

9 minutes ago, Virwëtztut said:

then it wouldn't be an arrestable offense.

It's not lol

 

[Virwëtztut]

21 minutes ago, Shoots said:

IDs actually do carry physical information. One of the key points to identifying people. 

I didn't mean for all physical traits, just weight. Apparently weight is something you see a couple of United States IDs. [Probably so you aren't accidentally directed to weigh stations]
 

21 minutes ago, Shoots said:

Minges typically put un-realistic weight. It's not on the person to judge someone different if they fill into a very common stereotype.

On the same coin, NSB will detain a military member if they forgot to change their weight when their character was made.

21 minutes ago, Shoots said:

I think if people can't figure out a scroll wheel mechanic in their character creation they will have a much harder time past that point in this type of roleplay... 

Not every person will take the time to sit through the character creation menu on their first join of the server and would rather get out into the environment as soon as possible.

 

21 minutes ago, Shoots said:

IDs shouldn't be for aesthetic, and they are pretty realistic. 
People can still have descriptive... Descriptions..  having in tune IDs shouldn't stop anyone from doing that!
All descriptions are in character. No matter what they are describing. 
Again people won't survive on this server if they can't grasp the concept of setting a weight and height. 
People shouldn't just be able to change where they are from on a whim... LOL

1.

Realism only applies if it’s accurate. In most real systems, weight is not a reliable identifier—passports don’t list it, many IDs omit it, and even when listed it’s almost always outdated.

2. 

True, but the reverse also applies: having weight on IDs discourages descriptive RP because people rely on the number instead of engaging with character description.

3.

That’s exactly why weight on IDs is problematic. A description like “muscular build” or “slim” is flexible, fits RP.

4.

It’s not about grasping—it’s about removing unnecessary friction for new players. Height can stay; it’s stable, actually affects appearance, and useful. Weight is variable, invisible, and often misused.

5.

You wouldn't be able to change where you're from on a whim. At the moment you can't even change your ID so that if your weight is wrong, you can't fix it. Don't know how you got that take from the question.

21 minutes ago, Shoots said:

Mine does 

Good for you? I guess it's good that the policing agencies in your area trust you not to eat too much so that the information is still valid.

21 minutes ago, Shoots said:

Now how will they rely on height if somebody doesn't include it in their description

When you make your character your height actually effects your model. If you put 6'2: You're going to be taller than another male_07. If you put 5'5: You're going to be shorter than another male_07.

 

21 minutes ago, Shoots said:

It's not lol

I guess I should specify, I have seen military police and NSB detain other members of factions for their weight.

Edited 1 hour ago by Virwëtztut