PK appeal - Rudolph von Lorenberg

[Joverwatch]

Character's name & rank:

Oberstleutnant Rudolph von Lorenberg

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX):  

76561198282455398

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know):

Browniemeister

Explain why you were PK'd:

My character was PK'd under a 'Dirt PK'

Why should you be un-PK'd?: 

I was apparently PK'd under the circumstances for Dirt, I felt as if the PK was not used as a last resort as stated in the guidelines as I was not aware of the reasoning that resulted in my death. Though my character has not been perfect, I believe I have done nothing against the individual that would constitute PK on my character. I much further believe the use of the court system, or some other means would have been far more effective as it would have proven to be more conclusive to the RP environment. I feel like more could have gone forward whether that was working with the MGD to obtain more information, or even with the NSB, however this felt rather more less provoked, especially as I have been in locked in cells nearly everyday for the last month and I have kept my mouth shut.

I am more than happy to provide any statements, investigations or documents I've made in LARP to UA (I don't want to call out the individual who PK'd me or the investigations incase of metagaming) but I think this was used a easy out and/or done because someone holds a grudge against me personally. If I was Unpk'd I believe that this could have turned into a bit of a interesting situation, rather than a death which feels unjust.

I am obviously a bit deflated losing Rudolph as it is the farthest position I've got since joining (President of the First Chamber) and I've made alot of progress and memories on that character, I would like to continue the story, explore new avenues of RP and continue with court larp as I started to really enjoy different aspects of the gamemode, whether that was trialing grenadiers, working with the generalmajor, working with the state and prime minister, or working with the intelligence agencies.

 

I understand it is sometimes difficult to resume RP after a character is PK'd, but I think even classifying it as a temporary PK could be more conclusive and a bit more fun.

Thank you for taking the time to read my appeal!

 

Additional Information: 

[Browniemeister]

You were PK'ed under guideline of Dirt. 

Your argument's lynchpin is based on the fact that the matter is not last resort. In regards to that, Last Resort doesn't mean a checklist that we as UA go down everytime someone tries to apply for a PK. Court does not always need to apply in PK's. What we moreso look at is if there's causation and correlation. 

Causation is applied in the case of there is multiple instances of effort by the requesting party, which was done.

Correlation is applied where there are connections between you ratting and you putting the requesting party in danger. 

I understand you are upset that you are dead and that you could've done more, but that is the gameplay loop. You play the game and you sometimes die. I wish you the best in your future efforts. 

[Joverwatch]

I understand. I believe I didn't make the circumstances clear enough in my original statement. 

So I believe that the grounds of this PK being accepted is that my character 'had given the NSB information' about this individual. While my character did stupidly sign an informant agreement with the NSB, It was well known throughout the military that he was a double agent. The MGD were aware of this and had been carrying out a very thorough investigation to prove that Rudolph had been a loyal double agent, not sharing any classified information or anything which could cause harm to another character, which is why he had not been sentenced to death. 

My character was taken into the MOI on one occasion where they tried to get him to write a statement on the individual who carried out the PK, they attempted to get a statement which would allow them to re-arrest this person and have them tried. My character never gave away any sensitive information and wrote a statement outlining his duties as an at the time assistant richter. 

As my character was under investigation by the MGD and unable to disclose any information to the individual who carried out the killing. The MGD has all of Rudolph's statements given to the NSB as an informant, including his very detailed witness statement to the MGD. 

I am unsure how the individual had this PK approved as there was no evidence of any dirt ever being given on this person. If somehow this was the case then it is fabricated evidence as Rudolph never gave dirt on anyone during his time as an informant. He worked very closely with the military to ensure the safety of everyone around him. 

Thank you for reading the additional information I have provided. 

[Andrew]

On 11/10/2025 at 6:58 PM, Joverwatch said:

I believe I have done nothing against the individual that would constitute PK on my character

I will address this point once the individual who requested the PK responds and clarifies what "dirt" was said.

 

On 11/10/2025 at 6:58 PM, Joverwatch said:

I much further believe the use of the court system, or some other means would have been far more effective

As Brownie mentioned, this is not a requirement for a dirt PK.

[Jürgen]

what had happened was I was arrested by NSB when somebody claimed a checkpoint I set up was illegal so they got a PCO on me and the PCO was invalid. so I denied  it so I was never going with them even though I did go and be questioned after I was ordered to

. so throughout that whole ordeal, it basically led to me getting some charges which they filed the warrant a day or two after then when they came to get me but they wouldn’t let them get me then the Justice minister got involved and said that the warrant was invalid and that the war courts would take precedence over the investigation. and after that the NSB came and got Rudolph and questioned him about if they were going to do anything to me when the investigation was over and they said no there was an NSB agent that came and told me about what happened when she was in there provided me with her affidavit and a PCO that was used on her. Those documents were declassified and given to me, and when he told me the story, she was ratting on me to them. And the reason they know this is because he was the one doing the interview for the PCO and said that she was divulging information about me. I then brought it out to the.Kreigsmarshall then we got a warrant on the person allowed by the Kriegsmarshall. The kriegsmarshall heard the same story from the Informant as well. The person Rudolph was questioned after the warrant was signed but nothing happened so I took it in my own hands and got the dirt pk.

Edited yesterday at 05:57 PM by Jürgen

[Andrew]

4 hours ago, Jürgen said:

what had happened was I was arrested by NSB when somebody claimed a checkpoint I set up was illegal so they got a PCO on me and the PCO was invalid. so I denied  it so I was never going with them even though I did go and be questioned after I was ordered to

. so throughout that whole ordeal, it basically led to me getting some charges which they filed the warrant a day or two after then when they came to get me but they wouldn’t let them get me then the Justice minister got involved and said that the warrant was invalid and that the war courts would take precedence over the investigation. and after that the NSB came and got Rudolph and questioned him about if they were going to do anything to me when the investigation was over and they said no there was an NSB agent that came and told me about what happened when she was in there provided me with her affidavit and a PCO that was used on her. Those documents were declassified and given to me, and when he told me the story, she was ratting on me to them. And the reason they know this is because he was the one doing the interview for the PCO and said that she was

. I then brought it out to the.Kreigsmarshall then we got a warrant on the person allowed by the Kriegsmarshall. The kriegsmarshall heard the same story from the Informant as well. The person Rudolph was questioned after the warrant was signed but nothing happened so I took it in my own hands and got the dirt pk.

I'm failing to see how someone saying that the courts are unlikely to act is dirt on yourself. That seems like a very broad statement, one that anyone is able to claim or believe without intending to "rat" you out or throw you under the bus, especially when the trial hadn't even occurred yet. Speculation isn't dirt.

 

If the trial already occurred, and Rudolph went to the NSB saying "The whole trial was staged. He was never going to be convicted, no matter the evidence," after being told such information and disclosing it to harm you, then that'd be textbook "dirt" in my eyes.

 

5 hours ago, Jürgen said:

she was divulging information about me.

What information was said? This, as it stands, is not sufficient.

[Joverwatch]

I can give you the witness statement I gave them. I did not rat at all, I simply explained that the war courts had not yet been asked to investigate or prosecute him. 

[Andrew]

Accepted. After further review, it has become clear that the information thought to have been given to the NSB had, in fact, not been given and, even more so, wouldn't have constituted "dirt" as intended by the PK guideline even if said. Character will be un-PKed and will remember nothing of the PK scene or those involved.

[Prime]

After speaking with @Andrewand @Browniemeisterthe PK is changed to Denied. 

The facts are simple. 
- You signed an informant agreement with the NSB
- The General within the Armed Forces found out you had signed an agreement
- They had tried to go to your Courts Chief and he protected you and didn't do anything
- They had tried to go to the Feldmarschall and you were protected. 
- He then took it into his own hands and decided to shoot you after using all other options. 

All the reasons above make the reasons valid on why they wanted to shoot you. Regardless of your intentions sometimes you are roleplayed at, not roleplayed with. 
Despite the poor response given by @JürgenThis doesn't really constitute a DirkPK but more of UA Approval. Regardless of the guideline they still had the justification there.
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