Dirk Burger PK appeal

[Shoots]

Character's name & rank: Dirk Bürger, Minister

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX): STEAM_0:1:634637750

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Hound approved, Prime was the one who did it in game

Explain why you were PK'd: I was PKed on the criteria of (On approval of UA+ [PK], NHC + Grief) I believe the reason my life was executed was because I openly defied the Prime Minister in a state of firing. This was following the restriction of communications I placed upon the war minister, where he (Azreal) disagreed against me, claiming I was out of line. There were only a few documents posted, we had no in-game interaction from the moment my first document was posted-to the time of the PK. Due to a limited amount of explanation, I could only assume that they PKed me for not falling in line behind the Prime Minister, and fighting against him through documentation. 

Why should you be un-PK'd?: I find the grounds for PK to be extremely shaky. From document rp, to absolutely zero in-game rp. Instead of looking for an interesting avenue of roleplay (courts, federal council, literally any sort of long-term roleplay solution) I was dragged into a car, driven to a location, and PKed all within a couple of minutes. This is a stupid reason to kill one of the senior-most government members. I believe I should be unPKed in order to ensure a better path is taken in this situation, resulting in a better roleplay atmosphere for the entire server.  

On a second note for this PK. I was called *INTO* the city by the Prime Minister before he made the PK against me. Through and through this PK fails to follow (Not using PKs as a LAST resort, PKing for solely doing work legally within one's job-ish, Baiting people into PK situations through Out-Of-Character means-also ish.)

Additional Information: 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15aYSYZUGrozRPyDnYMpFunTXuEhOhW1RBVX64pgMffc/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o73VeVlB_3ofmIh-hqz8dpkupO17r3uAtBHgDTgkybo/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GkYq790jMjoa4r8c18CDSGIMX0JMQVVpbF35rdWNzeU/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W_prgz_2YtOq_fYVpqGFsAdBRC8PRrgP-L_RiWxgFdk/edit?usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GsclP5CXyCxNIo54Y4-ehBKIk_9ZFplcV_-HEUIvmx4/edit?usp=sharing

^^^ ALL RELEVANT DOCUMENTS

 

Edited March 22 by Shoots

[Azrael]

You was ordered in the In Character Channel of the Federal Cabinet. I literally haven't got any OOC contact with you so that is completely pointless.
It was documented by UA that everytime I got on you got off, this was the first chance I got to see you. 
The PK was conducted fine.

[Shoots]

Can you provide which UA documented that? And the proof that follows? I would get in the city... Walk around.... And nothing would happen! I even had a run in with your state minister and even he hopped off less than a minute after that!

[Azrael]

Coffee was the one that spoke with you.
I had people out in the city every single day for 10+ hours a day waiting for you to get on for nearly a week straight.
Several times you posted documents that could result in harm to your character, or other peoples characters without being in the City to do it, which is actually against the rules. 

I'm not going to go back and forth, this will be my last reply to you. 
 

[Shoots]

Coffee asked if I got off after speaking with your state minister.... I did because HE got off. Obviously if you had people waiting 10 hours a day for "nearly a week straight" (HAS to be a lie) they weren't the best because multiple people interacted with me and... NOTHING HAPPENED! 

My documents shouldn't have caused any harm to my character, as I was doing my job. And it in NO way could they POSSIBLY cause harm to other peoples characters. 

[Azrael]

I won't comment on the exact details of the matter but it's extremely typical when someone publicly accuses their boss of breaking the law, undermines their job and refuses to accept being fired they get shot.
Also, people uninvolved should not be typing on the appeal as frankly none of you know what happened or the RP behind the scenes that lead up to this. 

Grief was literally the most minor of the PK Guidelines this was done under, there was 2 much more substantial guidelines this was used for. 

There was two different last resorts here, once where he was suspended for a few days (which he then accused me of breaking the law over and refused to accept) then his firing which he also refused to accept, this is the natural in character consequence of going against someone when they've given you 3 different chances to stop what you're doing. 

The initial "crime" committed no where near warranted a PK, which is why I did not go for a PK. Him accusing the Prime Minister of the German Empire of several crimes, trying to win over ministers against me, publically dismissing my office and authority and of course the fact that my character still holds a grudge about the fact that Dirk Burger tried to rig the election against me are all more than enough reasonings to have him shot.

Also don't be obtuse, if you genuinely believe the following did not cause any Grief to my character then I lose all faith in your common sense:
- Announcements Accusing me of causing a public panic
- Announcements Accusing me of several felonies
- Attempting to undermine me both in the Council and in private back room meetings with other ministers
- Announcements that just straight up undermines the authority of the office of the Prime Minister, who by the way is your boss.
- Attempting to pay for votes and rig the election against me in the Prime Minister Elections.

Don't forget, characters hold grudges in game and a big fking one is trying to rig an election against you. You've caused more than enough harm to my character to warrant this outcome. Next time think twice before you publically accuse your boss of breaking the law.

This is why people shouldn't comment on shit they're not involved in.

Bear in mind these are the guidelines that I seeked the PK for:
On the orders of Feldmarschall, Innenminister, Prime Minister, Konsul, President, Prinzregent, Kaiser [PK]
Being killed by another player due to causing severe harm or grief to their character [PK]
Being killed by an approved Criminal Org. in an approved assassination attempt [PK]
On Approval of UA. [PK]

Also there's the fact that substantial amounts of RP has come about the fact that you have been PK'd which I don't know if any of you keep up to date on PK appeals but several very well known PK appeals were denied for in the past.

Edited March 23 by Azrael

[Shoots]

4 hours ago, Azrael said:

I won't comment on the exact details of the matter

An OOC appeal but you won't "comment on the exact details of the matter. Cool.

 

 

4 hours ago, Azrael said:

There was two different last resorts here, once where he was suspended for a few days (which he then accused me of breaking the law over and refused to accept) then his firing which he also refused to accept, this is the natural in character consequence of going against someone when they've given you 3 different chances to stop what you're doing. 

If one of the reasons you are PKing me is BECAUSE I went against you in suspending me.... That's NOT one of the last reports you could have taken.... You didn't try summoning me to the courts.... I was never encountered in game about it.... And no other reasonable paths of action were substantially taken against me! To say that your basis for PKing is that I got "3 different chances" when all it was, was in-fact TWO DOCUMENTS ONLY. NO IN-GAME INTERACTION. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Azrael said:

The initial "crime" committed no where near warranted a PK, which is why I did not go for a PK. Him accusing the Prime Minister of the German Empire of several crimes, trying to win over ministers against me, publically dismissing my office and authority and of course the fact that my character still holds a grudge about the fact that Dirk Burger tried to rig the election against me are all more than enough reasonings to have him shot.

I was never "accusing the Prime Minister of the German Empire of several crimes" I was accusing the Prime Minister to fail to following the correct steps HE must take and I was telling him the fact that his authority wasn't as outreached as he thought. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Azrael said:

Also don't be obtuse, if you genuinely believe the following did not cause any Grief to my character then I lose all faith in your common sense:
- Announcements Accusing me of causing a public panic
- Announcements Accusing me of several felonies
- Attempting to undermine me both in the Council and in private back room meetings with other ministers
- Announcements that just straight up undermines the authority of the office of the Prime Minister, who by the way is your boss.
- Attempting to pay for votes and rig the election against me in the Prime Minister Elections.

"Announcements Accusing me of causing a public panic" Hardly. You made it seem like I was making it out to be. (In defending the indefensible and false narratives released by others, he may very well incite the panic I attempted to stop. ) Is all I said about you incite any sort of panic, and I didn't even outright say you did.

"Announcements Accusing me of several felonies" Where....?

"Attempting to undermine me both in the Council and in private back room meetings with other ministers" Absolutely completely FALSE. LOL. I get you don't want Dirk Burger coming back but making up lies is childish. I never had any backdoor meetings with the other ministers about you. I kept our feud between us, Federal Council wise. I never made any motions against you in the Federal Council or anything else of the sort. I made no attempts on you anywhere, not even in my documents defying you, I have only defended myself. 

"Announcements that just straight up undermines the authority of the office of the Prime Minister, who by the way is your boss." All my announcements didn't undermine a single OUNCE of authority. YOU failed to properly go through the steps to fire me. Not my problem, but yours! 

"Attempting to pay for votes and rig the election against me in the Prime Minister Elections." I never paid for a single vote, or in any other way, shape, or form attempted to rig the election in character. Another childish lie. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Azrael said:

Don't forget, characters hold grudges in game and a big fking one is trying to rig an election against you. You've caused more than enough harm to my character to warrant this outcome. Next time think twice before you publically accuse your boss of breaking the law.

I've caused literally not a single droplet of harm to the character. Overreaching is going to get yourself in a bad place, obviously you were gonna not be in the best position for attacking Dirk Burger for doing his job. 

 

5 hours ago, Azrael said:

Also there's the fact that substantial amounts of RP has come about the fact that you have been PK'd

Yes the PK came from me being dead... Almost like Dirk Burger was a minister! That RP is completely unrelated to the fact you used this as a cheap way to avoid a drawn-out roleplay interaction. 

[Azrael]

Don't know why you're acting like me not releasing the full IC details of this OOCly is something against me. I've been told off by Upper Administration for posting sensitive stuff on PK appeals before. People can, will and do meta game this info all the time.

Accusing me of not following the legal steps that should be taken is accusing me of crimes.

I'm not going to engage in this any further, I get you're mad that you was PK'd but acting like you don't know why any of this happened is idiotic. And yes you did buy votes, I have testimonies from half your command staff, don't act obtuse.

[mEEm]

Reminder that you should not be commenting on PK appeals unless you're directly involved.

[Shoots]

11 hours ago, Azrael said:

I'm not going to engage in this any further, I get you're mad that you was PK'd but acting like you don't know why any of this happened is idiotic. And yes you did buy votes, I have testimonies from half your command staff, don't act obtuse.

Oh my testimonies. The most trustworthy thing in this server. 

[Hound]

I've gone through and hid several posts that add nothing to the appeal. For those viewing, don't leave comments unless you're directly involved in the PK or the situation surrounding. If you were involved, state how you were involved.

[Coffee]

Denied.

From reviewing everything which led to your PK getting approved, this was completely valid grounds for a PK and at this point too much RP has happened to bring you back.