PK Wolfgang Mayer

[DamnFool]

 

Character's name & rank: Oberfeldwebel Wolfgang Mayer

SteamID: STEAM_0:0:922662423

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Prime

Explain why you were PK'd: MRDM

Why should you be un-PK'd?: Look, I'm not very sure whether, by the book, this was a fair PK, but I do know that an admin in a very similar situation told me I was fine. In both situations the same guy had told me to open fire, I did the same thing in each one, I was only punished in the second one. I feel like this was a lose lose for me no matter what, but that's not why I'm making a PK appeal, I feel this is a precarious situation.

If I don't follow orders I get fired, or worse. I just want to keep playing. I genuinely enjoy the server. But by the logic of you not being supposed to fire when a higher ranking official orders it, doesn't that mean that every time someone like NCOs and enlisted who haven't deep dived the rules, are ordered to fire, they're gonna get PK'ed because they just didn't know better? Getting a direct orders from the highest rank of CO, and not fulfilling it is pretty serious stuff. So that also mean that CO's or other high ranks shouldn't even have the ability to give an order to open fire(or at least be warned by them that if lower ranks open fire AND DIE, they get PKed), and also, how am I not supposed to die here? Survival in a firefight against a crowd isn't something a person can just control, and if I die I get PKed.

According to the server's own Government PK guidelines, initiating a shootout is what triggers a PK, but I didn't initiate anything, I defended a position under a direct order from a CO. If the rule is strictly "if you die, you get PKed," then any division combat where a soldier dies becomes an automatic character deletion, which ruins military roleplay entirely. I did not know the risk. Because the first time, it made sense that I didn't get PKed. To summarize, I didn't initiate a gunfight. I was given orders, I followed them to avoid punishment, and protect the Bendlerblock from a breach, and protect my superiors. I just want my character back, I feel like I deserve it, also Wolfgang Mayer is a cool name you have to agree.

Additional Information: I have clips of both situations, in both I was told to open fire. The clips both show a very similar situation, it might be by the books, but I feel I shouldn't be PK'ed for it. Here are the clips: https://streamable.com/0vsi8e

I would also like to state that I wasn't given a proper chance to be heard out before the PK was issued, if I was pulled into a sit I could've explained all of this. In the PK guidelines, it says that PKs absolutely HAVE to be a last resort(for important persons, which I believe I am as the role of Oberfeldwebel is pretty important, leading men, making sure they're properly trained, recruitment and more.), this didn't really look like a last resort. I do not believe that as an Oberfeldwebel(with a 2nd class Iron Cross that I earned as a Stabsgefreiter) , I am not subject to rule 4 of the PK guidelines.

Under rule 10 of the PK guidelines; "You cannot order the death of more than five people for a specific situation." If you were to review the clips that I posted, in neither situations did I kill more that 5 people or even exactly 5 people.

Furthermore, you can ask copernicus124, c8jet as well as Generalleutnant Gator(Lukas Falkner IC who was an Oberst at the time and gave the direct order) on discord, who even stated he can give full details to Upper Administration regarding the situation and the orders given. Copernicus's and C8jet's replies to my post have been strangely deleted, so I am putting their names here so they can still vouch for me. Just to be completely clear, I WASN'T WARNED THIS COULD RESULT IN A PK

Edited Monday at 06:21 PM by DamnFool

[Gator]

+1 after multiple kidnappings and shootings the military was on lockdown. 
 

Forces then thought it was appropriate to march into the Bendler block to enforce their will. 
 

An order was given to open fire, he was just the first one to act upon that order. 
 

I don’t know why he died as this was a multiple skirmish situation where he and others were ordered to fire.

 

He in fact did not MASS RDM or anything. Forces bypassed our general and were attempting to acquire our command members. We/he acted in response.

 

i can give full details to UA
 

 

Edited Thursday at 06:33 AM by Gator

[Vixx]

Thank you for creating a Ban Appeal. Please update your SteamID to STEAM_0:0:922662423. The PK'ing Staff Member was Prime.

[Azrael]

As far as the PK Guidelines are written the person who initiates the gunfight is the one at fault regardless if they were ordered to or not. 
I do think it would be interesting if the person who verbally or over text ordered the initiating was the one responsible for the initiation though.

[DamnFool]

8 hours ago, Azrael said:

As far as the PK Guidelines are written the person who initiates the gunfight is the one at fault regardless if they were ordered to or not. 
I do think it would be interesting if the person who verbally or over text ordered the initiating was the one responsible for the initiation though.

If those are the rules then that would mean that any time a situation like this happens, someone HAS to get PK'ed because they fired first, and if they don't they get fired.

Edited Saturday at 02:55 AM by DamnFool

[Prime]

You knew the risk, you were surrounded by members of the Interior and decided to open fire. 

You managed to get away with not being PK'd the first time but the second time you did not. Even if Gator gave you an order to open fire it is irrelevant, you had made the decision to start a gunfight and then died. If you lived you wouldnt of been PKd. 

[DamnFool]

9 hours ago, Prime said:

You knew the risk, you were surrounded by members of the Interior and decided to open fire. 

You managed to get away with not being PK'd the first time but the second time you did not. Even if Gator gave you an order to open fire it is irrelevant, you had made the decision to start a gunfight and then died. If you lived you wouldnt of been PKd. 

But if I don't follow orders I get fired, or worse. I just want to keep playing. I genuinely enjoy the server. But by that logic, doesn't that mean that every time someone like NCOs and enlisted who haven't deep dived the rules, are ordered to fire, they're gonna get PK'ed because they just didn't know better? Getting a direct orders from the highest rank of CO, and not fulfilling it is pretty serious stuff. So that also mean that CO's or other high ranks shouldn't even have the ability to give an order to open fire(or at least be warned by them that if lower ranks open fire AND DIE, they get PKed), and also, how am I not supposed to die here? Survival in a firefight against a crowd isn't something a person can just control. According to the server's own Government PK guidelines, initiating a shootout is what triggers a PK, but I didn't initiate anything, I defended a position under a direct order from a CO. If the rule is strictly "if you die, you get PKed," then any division combat where a soldier dies becomes an automatic character deletion, which ruins military roleplay entirely. I in fact, did not know the risk. Because the first time, it made sense that I didn't get PKed. You can ask copernicus124, c8jet as well as Generalleutnant Gator(Lukas Falkner IC who was an Oberst at the time) on discord, who even stated he can give full details to Upper Administration. Copernicus's and C8jet's replies to my post have been strangely deleted though. To summarize, I didn't initiate a gunfight. I was given orders, I followed them to avoid punishment, and protect the Bendlerblock from a breach, and protect my superiors. I would also like to state that I wasn't given a proper chance to be heard out before the PK was issued, if I was pulled into a sit I could've explained all of this. In the PK guidelines, it says that PKs absolutely HAVE to be a last resort(for important persons, which I believe I am as the role of Oberfeldwebel is pretty important, leading men, making sure they're properly trained, recruitment and more.), this didn't really look like a last resort. I wasn't even given a proper sit, and this isn't really looking like a last resort PK. I do not believe that as an Oberfeldwebel(with a 2nd class Iron Cross that I earned as a Stabsgefreiter) , I am not subject to rule 4 of the PK guidelines. Under rule 10 of the PK guidelines; "You cannot order the death of more than five people for a specific situation." If you were to review the clips that I posted, in neither situations did I kill more that 5 people or even exactly 5 people. I just want my character back, I feel like I deserve it, also Wolfgang Mayer is a cool name you have to agree.

Edited Monday at 08:52 AM by DamnFool

[Slug]

On 5/24/2026 at 9:15 PM, DamnFool said:

But if I don't follow orders I get fired, or worse

It is your decision and risk. You decided to follow orders that created a disregard for your own life. Expecting to live after gunning down numerous MOI personnel is a bit silly.

 

On 5/24/2026 at 9:15 PM, DamnFool said:

Getting a direct orders from the highest rank of CO, and not fulfilling it is pretty serious stuff

I agree, which is why the people being ordered to disregard their own life by following an "open fire" order should hold their General/CO accountable for the outcome (ICly).  

 

Specific PK Guideline here is Government PK criteria: "Dying after initiating a shoot-out". You were the one who initiated by shooting first. If @Gatorgave the order then be pissed at him for giving shitty orders, sorry.

 

 

Appeal: Denied
Thread: Locked