Powergame PK

[Harrious B.]

Character's name & rank:  Maylon Iyne, Civilian

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX):  STEAM_0:0:65488

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know):  Kurti

Explain why you were PK'd: NHC PK

Why should you be un-PK'd?: No matter what it was, it could only have been powergame. The Director of the Ouroboros came to my property, the Dreadfort barhouse, and declared I was exposed to gas leaks, anomalous effects and whatever else. I made up some bullshit about my coin dupe being anomalous, which, ICly, it's only a gold coin. It has no magical effects to it at all, I gave it to them so they'd leave me the fuck alone. 

Powergaming is described as forcing some form of roleplay onto someone against their will, usually in violation of the rules to bring advantage over another player either through means of FailRP or OOC material. Using other game mechanics to powergame can include: Attempting to force players to do things outside of the server, forcing players to kill their own character, forcing players to commit crimes, forcing players to RP or /me's against their will, forcing players to give their F3, etc.

You cannot Fake Signatures or lie to get individuals PKd.

Planting evidence is permitted, but cannot result or otherwise aide in a player being permanently killed. This is explicitly what happened in the following evidence:

Come an hour or so later, they pick me up from the NYPD, say they have a euthanization order for me saying I'm "unfit for society", saying I was in possession of nuclear and fissile materials, 

Additional Information: I have clips on demand, I can post clips relevant to the responses in this ticket. Also, the NYPD commissioner gave me a felony for no reason, and I made and had a ticket open for around 40(?) minutes, repeatedly tried to refresh the ticket, nobody took it, but Kurti was apparently available to ignore the powergame ticket, or even a potential Grief PK that I was waiting on for a bullshit charge, and instead set me PK active.

 

[Harrious B.]

2 minutes ago, Harrious B. said:

Character's name & rank:  Maylon Iyne, Civilian

SteamID (STEAM_0:X:XXX):  STEAM_0:0:65488

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know):  Kurti

Explain why you were PK'd: NHC PK

Why should you be un-PK'd?: No matter what it was, it could only have been powergame. The Director of the Ouroboros came to my property, the Dreadfort barhouse, and declared I was exposed to gas leaks, anomalous effects and whatever else. I made up some bullshit about my coin dupe being anomalous, which, ICly, it's only a gold coin. It has no magical effects to it at all, I gave it to them so they'd leave me the fuck alone. 

Powergaming is described as forcing some form of roleplay onto someone against their will, usually in violation of the rules to bring advantage over another player either through means of FailRP or OOC material. Using other game mechanics to powergame can include: Attempting to force players to do things outside of the server, forcing players to kill their own character, forcing players to commit crimes, forcing players to RP or /me's against their will, forcing players to give their F3, etc.

You cannot Fake Signatures or lie to get individuals PKd.

Planting evidence is permitted, but cannot result or otherwise aide in a player being permanently killed. This is explicitly what happened in the following evidence:

Come an hour or so later, they pick me up from the NYPD, say they have a euthanization order for me saying I'm "unfit for society", saying I was in possession of nuclear and fissile materials, 

Additional Information: I have clips on demand, I can post clips relevant to the responses in this ticket. Also, the NYPD commissioner gave me a felony for no reason, and I made and had a ticket open for around 40(?) minutes, repeatedly tried to refresh the ticket, nobody took it, but Kurti was apparently available to ignore the powergame ticket, or even a potential Grief PK that I was waiting on for a bullshit charge, and instead set me PK active.

Edit: I would like to point out I had griefed nobody beforehand, and I hadn't been out doing rampant violent crime or anything else the typical citizen does. My main goal on Iyne was to just do business and make friends so I could try for public events, like food drives, funerals, etc. None of which was actually possible because of how much incredible hostility has been forwarded to me, which I still roleplayed out, like when my factory got firebombed over and over, or when I was kidnapped over and over, and never tried to grief PK anyone for calling me stupid shit, like a nonce. I have tried over and over, and it only seems to fail when I try to do goodwilled gestures. Certain high level officials actually just hate me for my voice, when all I want is a meeting to do a very simple thing, like gun licenses or answering questions or even trying to give simple suggestions. 

 

 

[Sayako]

Howdy! Im the one who PKed you, for the last couple of days you've been making downright retarded adverts about gas leaks and you owning illegal materials, at no point in our RP situations did you deny owning these things, nor did you try to argue for yourself at any point until you broke RP about "powergame"! 1. You should probably know its illegal for a CIVILIAN to own nuclear fissile material! 2. You making adverts for the past couple of days TALKING about gas leaks and other "things" happening to the places you own do not help at all! 3. On the NYPD's side, you had a massive thing of meth on your character, :(.

If you didn't know, which you do now, the Ouroboros has control over everything nuclear! You probably shouldn't try to make nuclear bombs or whatever you were trying to do in a backyard as a civi! Ill wait for staff to respond, but that's why your dead.

Edited 8 hours ago by Sayako

[Harrious B.]

7 minutes ago, Sayako said:

Howdy! Im the one who PKed you, for the last couple of days you've been making downright retarded adverts about nuclear and other illegal materials, at no point in our RP situations did you deny owning these things, nor did you try to argue for yourself at any point until you broke RP about "powergame"! 1. You should probably know its illegal for a CIVILIAN to own nuclear fissile material! 2. You making adverts for the past couple of days TALKING about gas leaks and other "things" happening to the places you own do not help at all! 3. On the NYPD's side, you had a massive thing of meth on your character, :(.

If you didn't know, which you do now, the Ouroboros has control over everything nuclear! You probably shouldn't try to make nuclear bombs or whatever you were trying to do in a backyard as a civi! Ill wait for staff to respond, but that's why your dead.

right, whoever can do CTRL+F for nuclear material or any of those buzzwords in my advertisements would know you're completely bullshitting

 

edit: also, there's specific drug regulations documents out there that make it so that specifically, people are not typically gonna be getting a life sentence let alone a death sentence over something like a single barrel of meth, legally the lowest of the low

Edited 21 hours ago by Harrious B.

[Kurti]

Thanks for making an appeal, I was the staff member that approved the PK. The reason you were PK'd was under the Civillian Guidelines, Guidline 12. Ordered to be executed by a General Officer [PK], Your death was ordered by the Director of the OB due to this I had seen it to be valid. It seems the one requesting the PK has already commented on why he requested your death aswell. I hope this clears it up and UA will make their decision! 

[Harrious B.]

3 minutes ago, Kurti said:

Thanks for making an appeal, I was the staff member that approved the PK. The reason you were PK'd was under the Civillian Guidelines, Guidline 12. Ordered to be executed by a General Officer [PK], Your death was ordered by the Director of the OB due to this I had seen it to be valid. It seems the one requesting the PK has already commented on why he requested your death aswell. I hope this clears it up and UA will make their decision! 

did you check in advertisements where I was talking about nuclear material at all (never happened) or are you just killing me because he said so, because last I recalled for an NHC PK to take place they need a real reason to be doing it, you can't just kidnap any civ you like and have him executed for no reason

also, you ignored my ancient powergame charge ticket, why?

[Kurti]

4 minutes ago, Harrious B. said:

did you check in advertisements where I was talking about nuclear material at all (never happened) or are you just killing me because he said so, because last I recalled for an NHC PK to take place they need a real reason to be doing it, you can't just kidnap any civ you like and have him executed for no reason

also, you ignored my ancient powergame charge ticket, why?

I cleared the powergame ticket as you had died. I didn't ignore it, I personally was just in an RP situation at the time.

[Harrious B.]

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16 minutes ago, Sayako said:

Howdy! Im the one who PKed you, for the last couple of days you've been making downright retarded adverts about nuclear and other illegal materials, at no point in our RP situations did you deny owning these things, nor did you try to argue for yourself at any point until you broke RP about "powergame"! 1. You should probably know its illegal for a CIVILIAN to own nuclear fissile material! 2. You making adverts for the past couple of days TALKING about gas leaks and other "things" happening to the places you own do not help at all! 3. On the NYPD's side, you had a massive thing of meth on your character, :(.

If you didn't know, which you do now, the Ouroboros has control over everything nuclear! You probably shouldn't try to make nuclear bombs or whatever you were trying to do in a backyard as a civi! Ill wait for staff to respond, but that's why your dead.

Also, because you explicitly made it known what you're supposed to have killed me for, and it being false, that would explicitly make it powergame and against the guidelines.

This should be overturned for the sole fact you lied about why you did this.

[Major Whoreson]

This is the single mention of nuclear from HarryB's SteamID

"[Y] Maylon Iyne: I HAVE PROOF I'M NOT AT ALL POISONED NOR AM I IN POSSESSION OF NUCLEAR MATERIAL"

[Sayako]

12 hours ago, Harrious B. said:

right, whoever can do CTRL+F for nuclear material or any of those buzzwords in my advertisements would know you're completely bullshitting

 

edit: also, there's specific drug regulations documents out there that make it so that specifically, people are not typically gonna be getting a life sentence let alone a death sentence over something like a single barrel of meth, legally the lowest of the low

Well the nuclear stuff is one thing, I was alerted to you selling off some sort of illegal material from a source I wont list off OOCly. We nabbed you and took you to a site, questioned you about it and you not at one point during that spoke about not owning these things, that's one thing to why you were killed, like I said. Secondly, then out of your own fruition which you admitted here because you wanted us to "fuck off" said you owned a anomalous Baumer Coin that teleported around the property that you owned and "haunted" you (made by Cookie E. Baker btw), this was taken off of you and I spoke with my colleagues, in where we decided you shouldn't stand because from where we stood, you are a MENACE to everyone and everything near Maylon Iyne. Which leads to the next part, the gas leaks at your factory, doesn't help with our In-Character perspective about you. 

From the perspective of the Ouroboros, you, a Civilian Business owner, has possession of anomalies and legit admitted your house you JUST BOUGHT is haunted by said anomalies, not to mention frequent "gas leaks" at properties you own, IN CHARACTER BY THE WAY. When we picked you up, you, IN CHARACTER were carrying a coin that teleports and haunts you in your POCKET, unless that too is "powergame". You were taken to the NYPD before the OB decided your fate after a mind wipe and to make sure you wouldn't go anywhere and do more things with your DIY SCP's, where you already started to accuse us of powergame, the NYPD I guess wanted to charge you with the meth or did IDFK, which by the way, people die all the time for drug possession, especially if its found out that a well-known civilian business owner is the one making these drugs on a property he owns in the military district. We decided your fate then picked you back up from the NYPD and executed you. I don't see how a note/paper clearly saying in bold letters and nothing else "UNFIT FOR SOCIETY", as if I just wrote it down makes it power game? You had many chances before then, while we were talking in the site to clear up what was said about nuclear material and other illegal materials NO ONE SHOULD OWN because I remember vividly bringing it up like 5 times to you, and we made it very clear to you that we were going to seize these materials and you STILL didn't deny owning these, you think admitting to the 7 armed people that you don't actually own these things would've helped your case, instead you just pulled a anomaly out of your pocket and said it haunts you. Not to mention because I saw you bring this up, you were never told by ANYONE in the Ouroboros or anyone near you to "not speak with your mic", I told you to not speak unless spoken to and you were more then free to speak with anything you wanted. Also, you made a point to clip off the part where most of the time we were in that crate and in the NYPD you were breaking RP and crying about "powergame" because you didn't like we were killing you, I cant put enough emphasis on the crying part.

I don't mind you as a player, but your actions in character cannot be ignored, and I've listed off my reasons as to why I PKed you. 

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@Sayako

Please provide any screenshots of the advertisements you may have. As said by Whoreson, the only mention of nuclear being: "[Y] Maylon Iyne: I HAVE PROOF I'M NOT AT ALL POISONED NOR AM I IN POSSESSION OF NUCLEAR MATERIAL"

HarryB never was "making downright retarded adverts about gas leaks and you owning illegal materials".

If you don't have any screenshots, your entire reasoning to kill him was because of a special coin.

[Harrious B.]

7 hours ago, Sayako said:

Well the nuclear stuff is one thing, I was alerted to you selling off some sort of illegal material from a source I wont list off OOCly. We nabbed you and took you to a site, questioned you about it and you not at one point during that spoke about not owning these things, that's one thing to why you were killed, like I said. Secondly, then out of your own fruition which you admitted here because you wanted us to "fuck off" said you owned a anomalous Baumer Coin that teleported around the property that you owned and "haunted" you (made by Cookie E. Baker btw), this was taken off of you and I spoke with my colleagues, in where we decided you shouldn't stand because from where we stood, you are a MENACE to everyone and everything near Maylon Iyne. Which leads to the next part, the gas leaks at your factory, doesn't help with our In-Character perspective about you. 

From the perspective of the Ouroboros, you, a Civilian Business owner, has possession of anomalies and legit admitted your house you JUST BOUGHT is haunted by said anomalies, not to mention frequent "gas leaks" at properties you own, IN CHARACTER BY THE WAY. When we picked you up, you, IN CHARACTER were carrying a coin that teleports and haunts you in your POCKET, unless that too is "powergame". You were taken to the NYPD before the OB decided your fate after a mind wipe and to make sure you wouldn't go anywhere and do more things with your DIY SCP's, where you already started to accuse us of powergame, the NYPD I guess wanted to charge you with the meth or did IDFK, which by the way, people die all the time for drug possession, especially if its found out that a well-known civilian business owner is the one making these drugs on a property he owns in the military district. We decided your fate then picked you back up from the NYPD and executed you. I don't see how a note/paper clearly saying in bold letters and nothing else "UNFIT FOR SOCIETY", as if I just wrote it down makes it power game? You had many chances before then, while we were talking in the site to clear up what was said about nuclear material and other illegal materials NO ONE SHOULD OWN because I remember vividly bringing it up like 5 times to you, and we made it very clear to you that we were going to seize these materials and you STILL didn't deny owning these, you think admitting to the 7 armed people that you don't actually own these things would've helped your case, instead you just pulled a anomaly out of your pocket and said it haunts you. Not to mention because I saw you bring this up, you were never told by ANYONE in the Ouroboros or anyone near you to "not speak with your mic", I told you to not speak unless spoken to and you were more then free to speak with anything you wanted. Also, you made a point to clip off the part where most of the time we were in that crate and in the NYPD you were breaking RP and crying about "powergame" because you didn't like we were killing you, I cant put enough emphasis on the crying part.

I don't mind you as a player, but your actions in character cannot be ignored, and I've listed off my reasons as to why I PKed you. 

1. hello, I'm currently at work and would like to respond to the latest response by Sayako trying to justify killing maylon by blatantly lying

    
2. I cannot give that response currently, I have to be home to show what I have to show, but immediately you can see him trying to refuse to actually write down why specifically he killed me after being called out for lying

    
3. he wants to shift the reasoning behind why he shot me, when it was made known originally he was going to try and kill me for nuclear material that I didn't have

    

4. Codda — 10:42 AM

   he refuses to actually justify, but says I had anomalous materials and gas leaks, which gas leaks in a factory are absolutely not reason to kill a civilian factory owner, nor were there any actual gas leaks to begin with. the first "gas leak" advertisement I made was in favor of the VSK during the zenin towers raid, so nobody would question why I was boarded up and hiding

    
5. I was explicitly told NOT to talk about not owning any anomalous resources, that what I had or did not have was not in question, I was told explicitly NOT to deny what I was being accused of

    

6. Codda — 10:51 AM

   by a source he "wasn't going to disclose OOCly"he was told I was selling "illegal material" which is basically the entire civilian economy, and anyone and everyone has been saying it, raiding my properties with no warrant, finding nothing and then still tearing my place up for no reason

[Harrious B.]

Just now, Harrious B. said:

1. hello, I'm currently at work and would like to respond to the latest response by Sayako trying to justify killing maylon by blatantly lying

    
2. I cannot give that response currently, I have to be home to show what I have to show, but immediately you can see him trying to refuse to actually write down why specifically he killed me after being called out for lying

    
3. he wants to shift the reasoning behind why he shot me, when it was made known originally he was going to try and kill me for nuclear material that I didn't have

    

4. Codda — 10:42 AM

   he refuses to actually justify, but says I had anomalous materials and gas leaks, which gas leaks in a factory are absolutely not reason to kill a civilian factory owner, nor were there any actual gas leaks to begin with. the first "gas leak" advertisement I made was in favor of the VSK during the zenin towers raid, so nobody would question why I was boarded up and hiding

    
5. I was explicitly told NOT to talk about not owning any anomalous resources, that what I had or did not have was not in question, I was told explicitly NOT to deny what I was being accused of

    

6. Codda — 10:51 AM

   by a source he "wasn't going to disclose OOCly"he was told I was selling "illegal material" which is basically the entire civilian economy, and anyone and everyone has been saying it, raiding my properties with no warrant, finding nothing and then still tearing my place up for no reason

This is what I said over a UA ticket, and I'm placing that here. You refuse to justify the PK, by including the source of your information that I was "selling illegal material". You haven't said what this "illegal material" is, and if you were going to dare say drugs, you would have confessed a terribly poor knowledge of my character, because there's literally no case where anybody has ever legally or legitimately found drugs on Maylon. There have been multiple times where I was falsely arrested, declared in possession of something and released without charges. There have been multiple illegal raids on my property, illegitimate actions that cannot result in a PK when they lie. You lied.

Illegal material is purposefully ambiguous, vague, so that I can't even counter the argument. There's nothing for me to fight if I don't know what I'm fighting here, as Maylon, like every single other civilian in the server, does indeed make and sell illegal drugs to the black market, but you would have literally no way of knowing that ICly. 

Also, even if you did want to go after me for the illegal material, you wouldn't head the whole PK with "he's trying to build an atomic bomb!! he has nuclear material!" while in the cargo container. This was weak to begin with. 

TLDR: This is explicitly powergame, because you lied. You said I among other things have declared and advertised being in possession of nuclear and illegal material, that way you could justify killing me.

[Harrious B.]

7 hours ago, Sayako said:

Well the nuclear stuff is one thing, I was alerted to you selling off some sort of illegal material from a source I wont list off OOCly. We nabbed you and took you to a site, questioned you about it and you not at one point during that spoke about not owning these things, that's one thing to why you were killed, like I said. Secondly, then out of your own fruition which you admitted here because you wanted us to "fuck off" said you owned a anomalous Baumer Coin that teleported around the property that you owned and "haunted" you (made by Cookie E. Baker btw), this was taken off of you and I spoke with my colleagues, in where we decided you shouldn't stand because from where we stood, you are a MENACE to everyone and everything near Maylon Iyne. Which leads to the next part, the gas leaks at your factory, doesn't help with our In-Character perspective about you. 

From the perspective of the Ouroboros, you, a Civilian Business owner, has possession of anomalies and legit admitted your house you JUST BOUGHT is haunted by said anomalies, not to mention frequent "gas leaks" at properties you own, IN CHARACTER BY THE WAY. When we picked you up, you, IN CHARACTER were carrying a coin that teleports and haunts you in your POCKET, unless that too is "powergame". You were taken to the NYPD before the OB decided your fate after a mind wipe and to make sure you wouldn't go anywhere and do more things with your DIY SCP's, where you already started to accuse us of powergame, the NYPD I guess wanted to charge you with the meth or did IDFK, which by the way, people die all the time for drug possession, especially if its found out that a well-known civilian business owner is the one making these drugs on a property he owns in the military district. We decided your fate then picked you back up from the NYPD and executed you. I don't see how a note/paper clearly saying in bold letters and nothing else "UNFIT FOR SOCIETY", as if I just wrote it down makes it power game? You had many chances before then, while we were talking in the site to clear up what was said about nuclear material and other illegal materials NO ONE SHOULD OWN because I remember vividly bringing it up like 5 times to you, and we made it very clear to you that we were going to seize these materials and you STILL didn't deny owning these, you think admitting to the 7 armed people that you don't actually own these things would've helped your case, instead you just pulled a anomaly out of your pocket and said it haunts you. Not to mention because I saw you bring this up, you were never told by ANYONE in the Ouroboros or anyone near you to "not speak with your mic", I told you to not speak unless spoken to and you were more then free to speak with anything you wanted. Also, you made a point to clip off the part where most of the time we were in that crate and in the NYPD you were breaking RP and crying about "powergame" because you didn't like we were killing you, I cant put enough emphasis on the crying part.

I don't mind you as a player, but your actions in character cannot be ignored, and I've listed off my reasons as to why I PKed you. 

The Ouroboros is not supposed to have a perspective on a completely non-anomalous civilian, they are not supposed to storm his property with 7 armed men, the director is not supposed to threaten a civilian running a barhouse not to fight completely unfounded asspulled allegations of the procurement of radioactive material, and they are not supposed to try and kill people without reason. Yes, they are powerful. Yes, they are shady. No, they are not supposed to just kill whoever they like and lie to staff and on the forums about why. No, they're especially not supposed to involve themselves in something they don't know certainly is part of their business.

The NYPD is the primary policing force, and the MPs are the ones in charge of the Frontier. It is their job to investigate me, and if it was anomalous, it would definitely go to the Ouroboros.

Assuming what you said was true, about being told any of this, you would still realistically be saying "why are you coming to me about this? go to the NYPD". Unfortunately, you don't seem interested enough in what you're actually doing to counter the argument at all, instead you told Kurti to set me active because you're a General and you said so.

Key takeaways: 

- You told me NOT to deny the allegations, that we weren't there to argue

- You told me to shut up and listen, agree to everything you said or you'd turn on the gas chamber you brought me to

- You lied about making me cry over a PK, which, you're weird.

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Edited 1 minute ago by Harrious B.